Open Forum

December 5, 1999 - Session Notes

Part 1

1st subject is the video tape the group was watching of David Icke interviewing an African Man
The Pentalites and the Greys
Atlantis - genetic engineering -reptilian beings - mythological beings (half man half horse etc) evolution
spiritual wars
eating the flesh of one of the Greys
lessons - filtering down - the layers of oneness
technology
manipulation through TV
1927 government had first computer chips and kept secret to introduce to the public slowly
Y2K – overseas problems – trade biggest thing affected – shipping – planes – oil – few power outages
Washington – 3 – 4 weeks food – water more of an issue than food – not long power outages here in WA because there has been a lot of work here but power will get redirected to CA – possibility of martial law lights out before midnight if they go out due to eastern grid. Watch what happens in Europe it will be better here than in Europe
Stock market crash
Internet stocks – funny money – adjustment within 2 years
If there are bigger y2k problems there will be market problems
Banks ok for y2k for the most part
When the stock market goes banks and insurance will go with
Bestali’s history – so to speak
Antarctica – caverns – no inner earth beings in the core of the earth
Earth Changes – complete by 2006 – 2007 - volcanoes – fault lines – Mt Rainier – safe places – emotional strengthening from the – creates compassion – Northern CA and Phoenix – Mammoth Lakes area – west coast - ring of fire- San Francisco earth quake/flooding – meteor / asteroid impact (3 of them)
Grids of the planet – old and new – magnetic – emotional – magnetic – spiritual
Nuclear bombs – their affect on the grids – India Pakistan
Tidal waves (deep impact movie)
Being in the 4^th world now
Less than 1% of population survive the shift into the 5^th world
Government trying to stop asteroids with bombs (Armageddon the movie)
Save the world – why?
Living in divine inheritance
The Dharljas - The master incarnate – no interference – racial and cultural differences – Spading books same group? YES
As tape ends question is being asked if Jast and Emil from of the Spalding books are still alive on the planet. Tapes ends before answer but answer was yes.

Part 2

Ida's asks as the tape is being flipped about the Dalai Lama and if he is connected to the Dharljas
Bestali answers and says 2 or three are interacting with him throughout his life and that he is very aware of what's happening
Atlantis Rising
The Animals and Fish what will they do in the earth changes
War - one world government – sides - Kosovo and current political issues
Contrails what they are and their affects fluoride
Seattle earthquake
The Vatican
What’s up on Mars - original life there Leanar (asteroid belt planet)
NASA
Stock Market Crash? The internet and the war - computer parts from china and countries that will be on the opposing sides of the war
War time economy – time to settle
War complete by 2005 when start? Kosovo was a possible impetus
Osama Bin Laden - Saddam etc the terrorist folks
Negotiations with Saddam about the war biological warfare
Plutonium – from Russia on the black market
No risk from Russia’s nuclear arsenal – terrorist stuff in South America and hoping they can smuggle in during Y2k
Federal buildings main targets not as many civilian targets as they don’t want to affect their own movement
One world government never get into place
Do away with the reptilians
Presidential elections? Martial law? Call off elections possible still possible Clinton not survive term
Clinton against one world government assassination a possibility – they don’t want Gore to win don’t like his environmental perspectives. They want George JR (one-world folks)
Mind control slaves - traditional propaganda methods CNN propaganda commercials
Cash less society before war? Slow going on that issue trying to get everyone computer literate
Contrails take out many elderly? Little to obvious they are being careful with that now they do want to lower the elderly population – Internet connects people makes it harder to affect people without knowledge
Mind control looking at monitor? Not directly but can use sound most of you are too high in vibration to be affected. Really helping to motivate you to raise vibration. Trying to hinder really helping!
Will we be able to change it with consciousness some yes and some no. Earthquakes natural evolution – cycles moved when the mountain came active – permanent structures and "value" the problem. The war could have been stopped at some time no longer.
Consciousness of the people out numbered overall as far as how many people want peace odds against peace makers
Thousands who really understand out of 6 billion
NATO who’s connected to who with the war – the china block is there a higher force for not good affecting them
Affect many countries
Ed Dames remote viewing program – much misinformation
Vaccination immunizations – recommend against for adults and children
Gulf war vets what happened – Iraq stuff and antidote not properly tested - no human tests had been conducted
Military from other countries in our countries US and Canada – Training in Texas from Bliss out of San Antonio
How to strengthen immune system how to raise vibration for that purpose. Help from guides
Guides around people? – Names with guides and their feelings about names
Ascension in this lifetime
Don’t go and not come back
Light bodies
What ascension is; food – procreation – immortality

Part 3

Continuing ascension talk
Talking about walking on water etc. Create food directly
Questioner’s car accident personal issue
Questioner’s cancer personal issue – doctors and the medical establishment – super bugs – antibiotics - the concept of cancer and the media – natural to have cancer at times as you purge cancer myth – treatment and choosing not to have it not acceptable in society – power of healing within – raising consciousness through these types of challenges – personal power issues – opportunity to see your issues and back to the ascension – example controllers - accepting self and your issues
Trying to perfect self instead of seeing the perfection that is already there mortal self does not need to be perfect – never a victim!
The issues of evil, light and dark - those who remember and those who forgot still divine
Gather in communities away from cities? Some places in cites are fine follow instincts - terrorist attacks and so forth - listen to self carefully
Idaho safe? yes at this time – strong militia activity there they will come out during the war
Bible codes – ½ or 2/3 of bible missing - most of the books by women missing – book of Mary - power issues with women – don’t deal too much with the bible because so many issues involved
Peter and Paul down on women? Whole society was Jesus unique gave women equal power many of the disciples didn’t like that. Mary Magdalene story missing great work she did after the crucifixion. Interracial issues also there Jesus supported that Jews didn’t like that
Did he marry Mary Magdalene (never lovers) no already married and had a child that stayed in Himalayas. Books lost forever? Book of Mary in the Vatican.
Jews wanting to preserve there race and later persecuted. issue of genocide and racial purity Kosovo and so on
Lost teachings of Jesus video from 20 years ago – Jesus studied from all the other masters? Hindus say 3 Jesus not tampered with Bestali says not AS tampered with
Did he ascend on the cross or was he taken off the cross into the Essene monastery. Trained by the Dharljas and ascended there were others that went out during the same time period. He did "die" or give the appearance of death on cross
Multiple bodies allowed one to go through this transformation for the teachings of immortality he was already in another body – when in and integrated stayed with the disciples for a long time - people knew. He did eventually leave and he does come back now and then. His job is done
Religious Science church that welcome all people question about multiple paths but what is missing in the Christian. Buddha in that divine state etc all the paths have core of truth no right or wrong path to get there.
Jesus vs. The Christ – what is the Christ the son. Need all the teachings in perspective and Jesus as one great teacher of many some public some private
He deliberately when onto the cross to prove the immortality to people - lot of others and doing trickery at the time needed to be dramatic
Dead Sea Scrolls why repressed? Control - scrolls not terribly different than other info - money and museum issues are a factor - government political involved ownership of relics
Under the sphinx anything… Yes Egyptian Gov. want to control all their artifacts may not release the info when found
Dali Lama has many tablets and teaching that he will bring out the Dharljas have many of the old texts as well and they will come out to the public.
What are the Spalding books about ? A little background
Moses when he went up on the mountain who was in contact with what’s with the 10 commandments
His divine self is who he was talking to and it was his manifestation. Tablets part of his leadership role offering boundaries for the group that didn’t understand. It was his first physical manifestations of his ascension he completed his journey soon after but most people didn’t know it they were frightened. Commandments for the people of that time.
Bestali’s connection with Earth – soul mate groups – planet builders move atoms into physical expression based on divine plan – darkness wanting this area – earth mothers light consciousness – hanging around here due to the issues – superunivere 7 here working on superuniverse 8 guiding Diane
Why do we need more universes? Not about need - maybe one-day god will decide to stop creating physical worlds
Greek mythological gods creators here of the planet
Universal soul – Orders of Melchizeldek – Michael – Enoch what they do – Angels - Devas angels humans – Jobs
Earth unique in its evolution – behind schedule – dimensional shift physical, emotional mental spiritual dimensions would normally gone into emotional about 100,000 years ago mental will be light bodies spiritual back to pure light
Pleiadians solar system held back till last minute – solar system shift all at once – blue sun and it’s energy and attributes won’t need flashlights but will be able to see the stars light rays can bend
Blue ray children - high vibration children coming in many have not incarnated since Lemuria - many coming to be brought up in the ascension energy. Started in the 80’s higher and higher vibration since – many are coming to parent who don’t know some of them are coming who know their parents won’t survive knowing that all of you will take care of them.

Part 4

Shift by 2005 time frame complete shift in continents before that in Seattle just the earthquake – convention center not a good place both because of earthquake and also because it could be a terrorist target
Is there really such a thing as safe places? Follow guidance you’ll be safe in a dangerous area. Your vibration being high can keep things around you from being affected negatively. Thinking you have a "safe Place" is an illusion if you are suppose to go back to spirit you will
Mt. Baker blow? Earthquake will push it but it could take a couple years. Couple comments on Mt. St. Helens
Questioner asks where she is from … from Leanar and angelic being - what happened with the angels from Leanar how they came to be on Earth angels pitted against each other. Leanar bigger Pleiadians involved with Leanar. More mountainous not too many plains. Shy more light purple different atmosphere less oxygen content to the air Leanaran species fine on earth but earthling would have need oxygen boost if on Leanar
Oxygen 18 to 20% lower here than it should be currently
Colors changing as we go into emotional dimension
Back to the children coming to healthy young people but will be raised by older spiritual people, plus they want to be more racially diverse.
Questioner wants to know connection to Pleiades and Hawaii - Hawaii and connection to Lemuria… she is a Pleiadian who came into a human body walk in? No
Talk on walk-ins and alien races who come into human bodies
The bigfoot people (Cebrians) and their planet and their permission to live here without human interaction. Mestinol and Sestinal (not far from pleidian area he says?) – note stars are in the middle of the big dipper this could be channels mind interference) they can come into human bodies when ascended you can contact them. Lower vibration they have to avoid
Will Hawaii be safe? At top of Lemuria highest mountains in the world - the secret garden canyon of Kawaii. Ascension can go anywhere
Ascended beings assist with new continents reseeding bringing plants and moving animals – no animal issues no conflict with the animals – move the animals in about 400 years after shift
Crop circles – sound vibration to the earth mother she pulls the crops down people don’t know the powers the earth mother has – they are universal symbols – how the guides communicate through universal symbols
Will Pleiadians in human form go home – yes they still incarnate there but are not limited still have some physicality to their bodies but are ascended
Questioner wants to know where she is from … planet builder from a different group than Bestali, a young group, part of building Sirius – universal souls required to do a wheel of reincarnation somewhere.
Higher selves have multiple people on the planet
More on where individuals in the group are from. ELTS briefly - more on the Pleiades having two planets that have humanoid life
Astral Planes and Causal Planes – lower astrals lower than vibration of the planet beings in sleep state – 4^th lower is individual aspect of the earth – devas there or some in upper astrals. Need to be in the causals to ascend and open kundalini back to jumps in consciousness. Then create the sphere.
Helping earthbound spirits – enochian circles what they are and how to do them – possessions will it work for them – yes issue if they are in the body you need to get them out first. Hands on the vibration can be raised to a point they are uncomfortable and leave the body then call on the enochian circle
Giving guides permission to screen your calls
Questioner asks where a friend is from – michalian – pleiades equal time here on earth
Questioner asks for her history – Bestali asks here guides – pentalites connection didn’t incarnate put built there and was a guardian guide pentalia not inhabitable for a time she chose this for here incarnation place. She played the role of a god on one planet early in it’s evolution
Questioner asks where she is from – bigfoot species most of her lives were on a ship - 100 times or so on earth - altantis time and Lemuria some incarnations in the bigfoot body in Lemuria some human body incarnations – taken up on the ships
Questioner asks more about "our" soul mate group and if we all incarnated in the same places – busy at night
Questioner asks about self – involved with Demetra at the beginning of evolution some planets go through complete evolutions of humans others start divine. Demetra is her "baby" so to speak first whole project instead of doing bits and pieces – Enochian grid worker
Why can’t we get radio signal from space – radio is too crude of technology
Original plan for this solar system was three planets inhabited earth Leanar and mars that is why this planet is confused about other life out there – Venus is a place without life in density more spiritual cities and life other planets – planet Genisis the evolutional time timetable – Zechariah Stichkins work – similar but not so much a physical thing.
Earth birthed a part of her own consciousness when we went into the emotional dimension. The planet Phoenicia and then more on how earth is an experimental planet part of her consciousness from another planet – how all that works birthing planetary consciousness similar look due to similarities in consciousness
The Salinians tall beautiful with cigar shaped ships the consciousness from their planet was used for earth with some pure new consciousness added
8^th universe already being worked on some will stay on planet long enough to travel there physically on ships
How Leanar blew up - The Luciferian wars Lucifer Devil Satan one Melchizeldek one Enochaian and one Michaelian wanting to create there own thing. They are being brought into the light – their right to rebel can’t do anything "to" them. Will Lucifer try it all over again no they were taken (the big 3) to a light place and are being counseled and are remembering their spark

Part 5

Starts out with middle of an answer to a personal question about an ELT - giving names to questioner related to guides?
Questioner asks about a soul mate relationship and her soul out of body for 3 months then felt a different personality then felt like a couple or more than one entity – it was walk in experience planed before birth – getting into the relationships between first and second souls in a walk in experience. Closeness of the walk – in and walk-out - the difficulty for both souls. Sorting out the experiences of childhood shared issues. Walk-ins leaving family situation – some more and more they are staying with families to work things out especially for ascension. Walkins.com website
Questioner asks about eye problem – patch – vitamin Bs folic acid, circular movements, exercises, beta carotene
Questioner asks about author husband who died in 88 writing book about him. Personal part needs to be in book
All ELTs on the earth – no you can have no relationship with them on the earth or not
Questioner asks if her ELT is on earth
That higher self has 3
Girl in Japan 13
Male in Mexico 43 50 miles or so to west from Mexico City
Male in US Connecticut 57 – going to New Mexico or Utah 4 corners building contract he is an architect good for the earth solar etc.
Questioner asks about first husband – no long term contract but significant growth and love experience passing soon before end of 2000 he feels complete
Questioner asks about ELT
Parallel selves
Questioner asks about parallels 4 total with that higher self
Him
Boy 3 in Africa – Zimbabwe
Girl 97 – equator
Boy 17 in Canada Quebec
Questioner asks about parallels
One that will leave planet male 67 leave planet late January 2000 only has one want to ascend easier with only one allows all the energy be concentrated
Questioner parallel - 8 year old almost 9 Navajo
Questioner parallel - One part on ship elderly female 236 will she move to Arizona would be good in a dryer climate
More info on a previous parallel in India for a questioner in 50s on the spiritual path
Back to previous questioners ELT in Mexico and Connecticut Wooshter Mass his office
Questioner asks about mate – Bestali says he has chosen to wait until after he completes his ascension process meditation when parallel leaves
Questioner asks about boyfriend if there is someone else yes there is but complete what you are doing then take a break
Questioner asks about future mate yes meet by June wont like him at first in western Washington wont say what he looks like might not move to Idaho
Questioner asks about Sciatica problem father and family issue interactions with father suggest hypnosis or meditation to assist at getting to the issue at hand. Try auto writing pendulum can’t give you the info but higher self can - need direct communication with father’s spirit, Expression and healing of issues
Questioner asks about high blood pressure, herbs, yoga, aerobics, herbs take time to start working
Questioner asks about poor memory in partner - flower remedies emotional issues belief structures around aging brain is fine. Do it intuitively. Questioner doesn’t trust the intuitive Bestali offers to make a flower remedy
Takes a picture of Bestali
Diane’s Walk –in experience the stillbirth story what was soul doing before the walk in - Tatiacha and Sentalitta Sentalitta’s walk – in to another body family meeting her and recognizing her. Commonness of walk-ins. Not common in the general population. The baby’s soul participation in the plan and how that led Diane to spirit. Baby coming back to Diane
Bev brings up the fliers about drumming and the solstice, affirmations for ascension record in your own voice, article on ascension
Solstice the solstice energies peace energies coming to the planet - make some people feel more chaotic. Family going to the stonehenge replica
New Years eve dilemma – just ascend and take on a second body. Got enough gas to get home you’ll get home on New Year’s Eve
Homeless channels issue need house questioner asks about his housing situation Bestali says June typical of ascension path that people want to move before it’s time

Part 6

Continuing from the previous issue; Your accelerating your energy toward the goal and ready to leave but it is really internal things you want to leave behind large purification. Time distortion 6 months not very long
Questioner asks about move and was told March would be a good time
Questioner asks about Arizona Payson not as hot as Phoenix – not ready to go yet late summer possibility to go possibility of a different state
Questioner asks if she will leave Washington – Bestali says more time than she anticipates here 1 ½ or 2 years need to go exploring
Islands here in Washington the Olympic Mountains will go higher. Be isolated there - all of Seattle under water - artist showing Seattle under water
Questioner asks about not wanting to move is she just stubborn – no she is following her spirit many will stay to serve humanity some will ascend here so moving not issue
NATO plans to kill off 4/5 of the planet through war contrail etc will that improve the earth changes? They will occur anyway. Not as severe as far a death because many already dead – the war big issue young kids don’t want to go to war they are at too high of a vibration other boys for spiritual reasons are not suppose to go to war we need to have places to save them. Preparing places – people are already preparing some ascended and the illusionary caps so to speak keeping an illusion around
Normal fruit trees have ripe fruits all stages and flowers the edens can have warm place within snow for example
Government building concentrations camps and ordering body bags yes body bags come to California for the earthquakes Dow Corning made them and war. Orphan children - camps for children – Spokane area prepared to try and hook up children with family members from across the country. Want to keep track of dissidents - place for terrorists as well.
They have all the earth quake info from science and remote viewing etc. Astrology
Questioner asks about court case – outcome not determined can still be influence judge is easily influenced prayer and protection around the judge beneficial.
Investment club question
Silly question – cat what is the connection another lifetime together? Cat consciousness - angelic being - archangel presence works though this cat doing healing – cats are healers - the purr is not natural is it is encoded with healing information don’t purr alone very often.
Another cat question explains the masters having an animal life time – cat bigfoot friend? Eyes are different know things hold your gaze. Talks about Keno doing energy work in Sedona – spud the dog will he come back? – Group consciousness dogs like parallel selves that familiarity will come back soon as a dog around 8 or 9 months old before you move different breed – Bestali takes his leave