Open Forum 1
Channeling October 13, 1990
Seattle Washington - Open Forum with Bestali,
Tohakwa & Janetis
Roy: We are all part of the Father.
Tohakwa: Indeed. For you see the difference, as you
perceive it to be, is simply, the shell that one uses to experience what you perceive to
be life. But if you look on this life as but a school, that is more accurate. For the
Earth plane, as you call it, has been around for many millions of years, so too has
humanity as you call yourself, homosapien. To spend 60 or 80 years in a physical form
seems like a very long time while you are there. But to look on it from the perspective of
how long you have been a consciousness, separate from the Father, it is but a minute
speck.
Roy: We place so much emphasis on the minute speck
instead of looking at the whole.
Tohakwa: Indeed
Janetis: This is a wise person here, very wise person.
We are Indian, We are Alien, we are Bestali (laughter) We are one
Ida: Can you tell me if it's the Aliens that have had
anything to do with these strange circles and lines that are appearing?
Bestali: (laughs) Of course they do. You know the answer
to that question.
Ida: What's the reason for them?
Janetis: People wish to see, let them see.
Tohakwa: It is a simple way, perhaps, for them to help
those who are questioning, those who, perhaps, doubt their existence...to place upon the
earth something that cannot be explained upon by your scientists, things of that nature.
So, they must look beyond what they, at this time, understand...to come to a conclusion so
to speak.
Mike: Aren't we also being given some very important
information?
Tohakwa: There is much more than meets the eye.
Lori: Are these symbols of a communication?
Tohakwa: There is one that was on this television, this
20 /20 program I believe, where it shows a very long hieroglyph, I believe is your term.
It has great importance. And when mankind comes to understand what it means, it shall open
many doors, for those who have created it, to come and speak with you, as you would say,
perhaps, face to face, but if they were to come now to meet with your president (Bestali
giggles) they would be captured, and have much testing and things of that nature. So they
simply bide there time for things to evolve, so to speak.
Bestali: Oh, they've already tried that. Your government
has already had a few Aliens before.
Mike: To what effect? What happened to those Aliens?
Bestali: Oh, eventually they passed away.
Mike: Are you referring to hanger 18?
Bestali: For one yes.
Mike: What about the Philadelphia experiment?
Bestali: Oh, that's kind of a ... oh, what would you
call that on this plane? Oh, .. can't think of the right word. Oh, maybe they really
mucked that up. It started out to be ... oh .. the seeking of information. But yes, they
ended up in contact with Aliens and it was a bit too overwhelming the whole thing was .
They had space ships, yes. They have captured many things. But your never going to find
out about it, because your government is going to go down hill before those records ever
get found by anybody...at least the ones that are left. Most of the records have been
destroyed. They don't want anybody to know how badly they've screwed things up with the
aliens. Now, they're afraid of the Aliens.
Janetis: Why would anybody be afraid of an Alien, .. I
ask? We are good. We are bright. We don't harm a thing... not a person. We may not, .. no
Alien may come and harm you. That's not within universal law. Some may come that are not
contributing. They look . They are not allowed to harm
Mike: They know better.
Janetis: Of course.
Erika: Then what do you call the books that have been
written about the medical testing of mankind. (The entities all laugh)
Tohakwa: Fear! For you see many of those people who have
been tested, it was arranged prior to their birth. For many of them are indeed Aliens, as
you would call the souls, so to speak, and many of them, if they were to deal with the
experience consciously fully aware, they would, die of fear, for it would be too
overwhelming for them. So, they are given, what you on your plane refer to as a
hallucinogenic drug, which has no ill side effect to the physical form, but here (pointing
to the head) distorts what indeed, was the case. So, these horrible experiences... Yes,
there was some poking and prodding experiments agreed upon prior to the transition, but
not these horrible experiences as they are perceived.
Janetis: It is a night mare, as you say. Similar to
that.
Ida: There's a Doctor Kennedy in town that is saying
that if he has a way of looking at your aura through Kirlian photography I believe, and he
says he can identify star people Do you know....
Erika: No, not the aura, it's with your finger he takes
a ... You put your finger on the ... You do it with your finger
Ida: Do you have any comment on that?
Bestali: It is possible that you could identify some,
but not all. Because most of these,.. What if you would term them alien souls would come
in to one of your earth bodies, have different .. oh .. characteristics. Usually their
temperature is lower than normal, some things like this that would allow them to emit
differences in their aura's, but some are not that different, so you wouldn't be able to
tell.
Janetis: There are many who have walked in so to speak.
You could not tell those
Ida: Can you tell when you look at an audience?
Bestali: Oh, of course, we know who's who. (laughter)
Janetis: You are, you are not. It this what you wish?
(additional laughter) We will not, of course, do that.
Ida: Oh you won't?
Janetis: Our focus is to show you, you are all one, not
that you are all separate, and you are all different. We are here, we are here together.
This is one planet. We are all here together. We are all one. That's our focus.
Ida: Well, do they come in to do a special work?
Janetis: Yes
Bestali: They come in to teach you that we are all one.
That's what they are coming to do, and also they are coming because they have lots of
experience in your earth changes on other planets. And so when all your earth people ....
Some of you have been through like earth changes like this before, some haven't. Some of
you are going to panic. That's why the space people are here because they're going to be
the ones that are going to be calm and collected and they're going to hold hand and tell
everybody that everything's going to be OK. And they're going to help you start to
rebuild.
Janetis: When you look up, you see Bestali, you see
Janetis you know all is well, and Tohakwa, the Indian standing there. It would be fine.
Erika: I have a question for the Indian. I just came
back from a reservation in North Dakota and it really saddened my heart to see.... I
couldn't find what happened to their spirit and their belief.
Tohakwa: It is there. But, just like the rest of
society, what you would perhaps refer to as a white man society...there are many
minorities, the Indians are simply one, who are perceive by many, as less than the others.
But, to speak of your question. The Soul or the Spirit, the truth of which they know, is
held tightly by a very small group, predominately the elders and few others in each of the
major tribes; for many of the others have, in the course of their lifetimes, have looked
upon the wisdom of their elders, and looked upon the opportunity, as it is perceived of
the white man's world, and they have chosen to go out into this high tech civilization, as
it is referred to, to try and make things happen there. To blend, and to become one with
the masses ,so to speak, rather than living in a situation on the reservation that is less
than what they perceive to be acceptable, for they have lost the truth in their heart.
There are many in this room. There are many who are part of this new age community, who
are perhaps more Indian in their heart, than those of that bloodline, for that is where
Indian is. It is not the color of your skin, or what is in your blood, but what is in your
heart.
Myrtle: To come back to the earth changes for a moment
please. Are we about to experience the flipping of the earth's axis?
Bestali: I would not say a flipping, it's going to be
about a 15 degree shift. It has been a very long time since this earth has felt the need
to do a complete flip flop. (laughter)
Roy: But, it has happened before, where they've done a
full 180 degrees?
Bestali: Oh, yes.
Mike: What if there was a massive effort to heal, and
clean up the toxicity, and do all of that?
Janetis: Oh, my, that would be wonderful.
Mike: It's pretty easy to do you know !
Janetis: But, that would not stop the evolution.
Bestali: It has come past that point now. If you would
have made that massive effort before you created the nuclear weapons and nuclear fallout,
that's going to take a million years to heal, things like this... then it would have been
soon enough that you would have perhaps delayed the shift, but, the shift is inevitable,
because, it is natural earth evolution. Simply, the same as you cannot stop a woman from
starting her period when she gets to be a teenager...it's no different, the Earth has it's
own evolution. You cannot stop menopause from coming.
Mike: The whole galaxy has it's own evolution, but ah...
those nuclear fallout areas in Russia are just awesome...100 square miles of nuclear
waste! Those things can literally be altered in seconds with the right kind of energy.
Tohakwa: Indeed, in this reference to your problem on
the Earth with that thought is that mankind has a whole...the total of the people. Their
mind set is not far enough advanced, into the light, to make a change of that nature
possible. For to look at this Middle East, as you call it, is a good example of the mind
set of the majority of the people on the planet at this time. Those who are working in the
light are a very very small minority of minorities, growing very quickly, and making many
changes, yes. Doing many wonderful things, but, a very small minority at this time...and
so the Earth Mother in her wisdom as a consciousness, has chosen to make adjustments at
this time, as the people are making adjustments, so, that at the time of the shift, as you
would call it, those who are of the light shall be where they need to be, and all may
start in peace and harmony, with light and love, as it should be.
Bestali: Because, you also have a big problem, on your
planet right now, called over population.
Mike: That's because of the way we generate our energy .
Bestali: There's too many people on the planet. And ah,
no matter how you generate your energy, there's just too many bodies. And there's too many
bodies to feed, and there's too many bodies that are creating more bodies, and there's not
enough room for the animals, and not enough space for the trees to grow...things like
this. And, that is also another reason why the Earth has it's evolution that it shifts. It
lowers the population, and allows it to grow over again. Changes the soil. Because, you
get new soil that has come up and is fresh and can grow the prettiest trees. You've never
seen the trees as pretty as they could grow. Or maybe I shouldn't say never, but it's been
about 12,000 years, if you were here at the time. (laughter)
Janetis: It should not be something of fear. Oh yes, you
will get use to changes in the earth as they come. They are coming. You see that around
you, you read that in the news. It is happening, it is now.
Myrtle: I guess we're here because we wanted to be here
for these changes!
Janetis: Of course, of course. It's part of your
experience.
Bestali: Oh yes. We have great respect for the people
who have come and especially the ones who are planning on surviving these
changes...because, it's a difficult decision to make to go through something like that.
I've done it before on one of your earth shifts and I wouldn't want to do it again.
(laughter) Once was enough. So we have great respect for those who are here to do this.
Lori: When this Earth shift occurs, is it sudden, or
does it take place over many years?
Bestali: There are some things that are both. Right now,
the consciousness part, of course, is shifting over many years, and it is accelerating
quickly, and what we have ... is called a split in polarity, that as the light grows, and
the changes from the Earth, there are many of you who are going towards the light and
there are others who are spiraling downward, as you can tell as this increases your crime,
and your violence and these things. The actual shift of the axis will happen quite
quickly. It will be proceeded by many earthquakes, and many volcanoes, then the shift will
happen, in a matter of approximately 5 days, it will take place. Where you will have
pretty much, oh I don't want to say constant, but, many Earth quakes small and large
during those 5 days and then depending on where you are, with everything that is going up
into the atmosphere, you will experience about 30 to 60 days of rain; many things falling
from the skies. But then, the skies will clear up, the rain will clear the skies, and then
you'll begin anew. Only you will build new homes.
Lori: Most of the homes will be destroyed during that
time?
Bestali: Oh, it depends upon the type of home and where
it is. That's one of the things also the Aliens are doing here. They're teaching you how
to build homes that are going to survive it easily...teach you how to grow food year round
in green houses, things like this. Things to get you through the interim period
Ida: How do you feel about this house? (Laughter)
Bestali: I think the location isn't real good.
Ida: A little too low?
Mike: Not if you have a real long snorkel. (laughter)
Ida: I want my husband to hear this.
Tohakwa: I believe the term he uses would be applicable,
as far as what you would call this long snorkel (laughter) It shall be quite
wet.(laughter).
Ida: Is that because of the ocean rising or because of
all the rain?
Tohakwa: There are many places, at the time of this
shift, as you know, this area of Atlantis, and this area of what you call Lemuria, at the
time of the shift, they shall come out of the seas and the oceans. It is simple water
displacement. So, areas that are sea level as you call it will be submerged, and areas
that are currently under water shall be surfaced and that is how your fresh soil... things
of that nature shall come about.
Ida: So, when would you say would be a good,
advantageous time to sell? (laughter)
Janetis: I would say, soon.
Mike: Well soon, well, .. within ... well.... when is
this going to happen 10 years?
Bestali: Oh it's less than 10 years now. Everybody been
saying ten years for quite awhile and they never want to go to 9 or 8. (laughter) Suffice
it to say, you'll be where you need to be because you'll follow your heart and that going
to take you where you need to be, and incidentally, El Paso's going to be a safe area
(laughter)
Lori: Is this going to be a safe area?
Bestali: No, this general area will be water.
Tohakwa: It shall not be to far from the coast.
Ida: Where do you see the coastline?
Bestali: The coast line will be part of Montana, and
what is that one, Colorado will be safe, Arizona, New Mexico, Part of Texas, Part of
Nebraska, Wyoming.
Erika: What I can't understand in all this now, is I'm
really against panicking people. I'm having a hard time listening to this, OK. If it's a
natural occurrence and ,so, and if we have to weed out people, let them be innocent going
into instead of people not all being scared that only the light workers are going. They're
better than us.
Bestali: Oh no, it's all choice, everyone here on Earth
if we did a regression or progression or whatever on anybody on the planet you know
whether your going to come or go You make your choices, before you come into your body, so
there's no reason to be scared, and if your going to go, your just going home. What's to
be scared about that? That's the natural place where you are.
Erika: That's for you. Your not in my body. (laughter)
Roy: When we move into the change, what's going to
happen to the violence and hatred that we've had here for so long. This has to be
dissipated, before we can really move forward. How do we dissipate this so we can really
move forward...so, we know we're moving into a better world and not bringing it with us
again?
Bestali: Well, first of all, there's going to be a
period where you're not really going to be able to think about that, because, your going
to be too busy trying to grow food and build houses, and get everybody homes, and try to
do things like that you see, so, it's not going to be..... Oh, right now, a lot of your
violence is happening because people are bored. You know, they are looking for something
to do, and they're just going to just sit and whine about their life instead of doing
something about it. You know you've got the kids, and they think, well, I was born into
this awful life, and that gives me a reason why I should just do something to other
people, cause I'm mad, and I don't like my life, so, I'm just going to do what ever I want
and to heck with the consequences...but there's not going to be any time for that.
If you look back to, oh ... the first settlers that were
here. They came out to this western part of the country. The ones that were honestly out
here to take care of themselves, you didn't have any of that, because, they were too busy
building themselves a home, or these ones you call the mountain men, they were building
cabins, and they were doing trading, and they were just surviving. It wasn't' until they
got established out here, that you got your gun slingers and all these guys come out cause
they didn't have nothing better to do than drink, and steal other from people. So, there's
going to be a time period, in which your just going to be very busy. And during that time
there's going to be a lot of people doing a lot of teaching, and that's going to be their
main focus, and they're going to be teaching people about Spirit, and about choices, that
you came in with choices, and about self responsibility, because, of course, you are all
responsible for every action or every thought that you do. And it may not come around in
this life, but it will come around because you will bring it around to yourself, not
because somebody's going to do something to you. But because you ... Oh, I don't even want
to use the word punish, because, it's not a good word, but, you take care of things
yourself. What you do, you make sure comes back to you, or your Higher Self, I guess, is
the best word to put.
But old Tohakwa up here you see; Tohakwa we like to use
as an example because he is the Higher Self and he's got a potential. that is what we call
those of you who are here on Earth. Right now he has one living in Arizona, and it's his
job, you might say, to kind of keep an eye on him, and if something’s not going
right, he kicks him a little bit in the behind. He has to, or he creates things for him.
They create together. To make sure that he learns the things that he needs to learn. Now
what some people don't understand is that, although Tohakwa only has one person on the
Earth right now, with your population being what it is, he could have 5. Or he could have
4. He could have many simultaneously. And if he did he'd be a lot busier than he is. He'd
be kicking all kinds of little behinds (laughter) Well, so, everything you bring around to
yourself and this teachings, there's going to be some people, after the changes that, it
will be the focus of their lives to teach the others about Spirit, so that as you come out
of this time, where you're just surviving, your going to learn to worship in your own ways
Instead of worshiping in churches and stuff, you just worship in any way that you want to
worship. You won't need to have this dogma anymore, because the thing that is going to be
taught, above and beyond everything else, is how to contact your own Higher Selves,
because that's the most important thing. Your Higher Self and your guide and everybody's
got one or more. Only one higher self. But, some people have many guides; (Although you
only have one primary life guide.). Some only have one, and the Angels are always
available.
Lori: Why doesn't each person have their own Higher
Self. Why would they have one Higher Self be for five people?
Bestali: Oh, you do! Oh, you see but it's not ah....5
people, it's 5 parts of you. (Expressing as 5 people, or having 5 experiences
simultaneously, so to speak)
Lori: Oh, I see.
Bestali: You see, it's just the Higher Self. One way we
like to explain it is, Let's say the Higher Self is a big pitcher of water, and you pour
out 2 or 3 glasses out there, and while their down there, maybe this one got a little iron
in it and maybe this one got some salt in it and they are just experiencing and then they
come back, and you pour them back in the picture of water, and the pitcher of water is
never the same again, it is changed forever, because of that glass of water, and that
glass of water, but they're all connected, and what happens to this glass of water over
here, may make this one cry for no reason, out of nowhere, because the emotion ... maybe
this person over here lost their husband and is experiencing great grief. Maybe this one's
having a bad day and starts crying for no reason. It may be because of that connection
there. They're picking up on overflow of emotion from this person who lost her husband .
So, maybe, that's sometimes when you just have days where you throw up your arms, and you
lay down and cry for no reason, you think it's no reason. It may be because you've got
another part of you that's experiencing something that's pretty rough. It's just, how else
are you going to take care of this great population, you have on the Earth. You keep
birthing more bodies than you've got Souls to fill up.
Erika: Yeah, but, then telling people to go to Montana
is a big exodus, and then you still have the same population, only living in a different
place. (laughter)
Bestali: Oh no, we don't tell people to go anywhere. See
because we .. this ... That would be like if we told you that the Earth changes were going
to happen on this date. Oh, we were not going to do that because they're going to happen,
when they happen, and your going to be where you need to be, and you just have to trust in
your own higher self to make sure you are where you are suppose to be. We don't want
everybody to be rushing off.
Bobby: No body would believe you anyway. They'd sit
right where their at.
Erika: No, people are already moving. That's why I'm
saying it.
Bobby: There's a lot more people moving in than out.
Erika: They're from California because they're just as
bad off as we are.
Mike: Montana's losing population mainly. They'd be
happy to hear about you guys. (laughter)
Lori: How accurate is that map, I am America?
Bestali: I don't believe I'm familiar with this map.
Ida: If I show it to you, could you tell?
Lori: Do you have it?
Ida: I don't have the big one.
Tohakwa: In reference to the question of all these
people moving to Montana, or what is referred to as a safe area. It is very important to
remember that each Soul or Potential - aspect, what ever the term you wish to use, each
human being, in the physical form, has already made a choice whether they would survive or
not . So, even if all the population moved there, those who have chosen to return to
Spirit would do so, for that was their choice, the choice of the Higher Self.
Erika: So, nobody has to move even when they think they
should?
Tohakwa: Those, .. Those who feel in their heart that
yes, they need to move, they shall move.
Roy: Only if it's done with love in your heart and not
out of fear.
Bestali: Yes. Because you know what's going to happen if
you just .. Let's say you move to Arizona, because your afraid of all these things that
were going to happen, even though you were not planning on surviving. Oh, you'd probably
have relatives back here that you come to visit, when the shift happened or something.
You'd be off on a vacation. (laughter) Just like there's going to lots of people who
aren't going to move, but then what will happen, for some reason they will be in Arizona.
...
Erika: Because we can't afford it!
Bestali: Yes. Doing a seminar, or going to a seminar, or
visiting some friends, or on a vacation for some reason, they would just be there, and
that's why it's also going to be very important for ... oh, the people that we call the
hand holders. Because, there's going to be some people who are all of a sudden going to be
there, and they won't have a home or anything. They're just visiting. That's why we've got
all the Alien hand holders. Because they're going to have to build a whole new life. But,
it's going to be different now. See you've created this world where people don't relate to
each other. They pass each other by on your busy streets, and you get on your buses and
nobody says hello and nobody smiles at each other... things like this. It's not going to
be like that. Everybody's going to have to help each other to survive. It's going to get
back to the way it once was, on this planet, where people related to each other as Souls.
Ida: I don't know if you can see, this is what this
Lonnie Wilkins channeled as the new coast line. Can you see it. There's not much left of
Washington and Oregon. It looks like the San Juan Islands are still there, and Mount
Rainier
Lori: Most of Washington is gone. according to the map.
Why is it that Washington has called so many light workers in here, so many teachers in
here if it's all going to sink?
Bestali: Well the main reason for this is ... because
this is where the teachers are learning how to be teachers. Most of the people who are
being called here they think their seekers right? They come here seeking information.
They're not seekers at all, they're the teachers who are seeking the information they're
going to teach. This is the university. This is what this area is. The university of
teachers of light
Lois: But she asked why are they being called here if
it's not going to be a safe area.
Bestali: It is just a temporary university. It was a
choice that was made it is an area that is ... oh, there are some areas of the country
that if you / we try to bring all the teachers here to teach them, we would have total
chaos, because the people are so conservative that they'd be trying to run them out of
town, and cause all kinds of trouble. This is a very liberal area in many ways. They allow
people to just kind of do their thing. That's the main reason And it doesn't have ... It's
not all crazy like in California. You know, there's too much stuff going on in California,
to go down there. Because, there's too many crazy's doing their stuff. It's a very
beautiful area, it's very peaceful and serene, and it's a very liberal area that's going
to allow people to do their things and it's just a nice environment to learn in.
Tohakwa: There is also much energy here in these
mountains. This Mount Rainier, is a prime example. The energy that she puts forth is very
strong and that is part of the calling to this area. The come to learn the wisdom that the
mountains have to offer.
Mike: There's going to be, ..and has been a lot of
different technology here pretty soon. Free energy devices, energy healing devices and
these devices can also be used for eliminating solid waste. The same technology but
different devices.
Janetis: And the teachers are here, and the technology
will be here.
Lois: What about the Colorado Springs area?
Bestali: All of Colorado is safe. Oh, I don't want to
say totally safe. All of Colorado will stay above water, but there will be some changes
within Colorado, as far as just Earth quake activity, during the changes. You see when you
think about it that way there's technically, if your not suppose to be here, no area is
safe. If your living in some house some where in a safe area, there's nothing saying the
house isn't going to fall in on you.
Janetis: Or these cars, or these planes, or any of the
other contraptions that you have that you move in. If you want to go return to spirit, you
shall do it. You will do it. If you want to stay here you shall do it. A little more
extensive than we see here.
Erika: Then, what is the reason we are being told about
the changes?
Janetis: Because you asked.
Bestali: Yes (laughter)
Erika: Oh, that means that you think we are ready to
receive the answer. To... to handle the answer that we get.
Bestali: Well, you wouldn't be asking the question of
you weren't ready for the answer. Because if there was some reason why you weren't ready
for the answer, there would be some reason that would stop you from asking the question.
Tohakwa: Or, if it were, more or less what you say,
determined that the information would be presented in a given session, or some reason if
you were not ready for this information, you would have not come. The Higher Self, that is
the job to prevent at times you from getting into things over your head, so to speak.
Janetis: We always have a choice. We may... we may
choose to look at changes in the earth with great anxieties or we may choose to look at
them with joy, looking through the change to the next phase. We always should choose joy.
Always. Why would you choose pain? Why would you choose sorrow, when you can choose joy?
Bestali: And if you look at it from the perspective of
the consciousness of your planet there's no other way to look at it than joy. What a
freedom she is giving herself through these changes. She is deserving.
Janetis: You should rejoice.
Bobby: Could you tell us a little bit about where your
from? And what it's like there?
Janetis: Well, one of the reasons we are here is because
we did not serve as good Earth stewards to our planet. Our planet is outside the Galaxy,
just into the next Galaxy..
Bestali: Universe.
Janetis: Pardon me. Universe pardon me. It is now
uninhabitable. It was very much like the earth. It was a very beautiful place with
mountains, with oceans, very much like the earth. And we were a society very much like the
Earth people. I could feel very at home here. Those of us who are here, feel very at home.
But, we were not as good Earth stewards as you. And so our planet, is still there, but it
is shrinking and becoming more dense and eventually it will no longer be there. All of our
people are on ships, or here in body, or on other planets in body. We have no more Earth
to go to. We have no more home to go to. One of the reasons we are here is because we wish
to assist you, we wish to assist you with the transition. We want you to understand the
severity of not being earth stewards. Of not looking toward the planet as yourself. You
are one. You destroy the earth, you destroy you. There is a part of you gone. All of us
who are here, have a part of us gone. We will assist you, if you let us.
Lori: We were in a retreat recently and they were
talking about the E.T.'s, or the ones that were the small ones as being very helpful and
but they were warning against the... ah tall ones. Ah the so called, the grey men and they
had quite a lot to say about them and yet it doesn't seem.....They're persuading some of
the others, I think it might be true for everything. So what's, going on. They say they
are to favor much less compassion, um... that they have not developed... have not
developed the compassion, and that they were creating some problems here on the Earth.
Janetis: There are very many Aliens so to speak, on this
Earth. We come here, many of us, to assist. That's our role. We, with the Earth Council,
with the Christ Council, with the Hierarchy of the Earth assist, with the blessings of the
Hierarchy. There are also those who come to observe, Those who come to observe may well be
not as high level, but they shall not interfere with the earth. As I said earlier, there
is Universal Law.
Lori: Well, their getting blamed for a lot of ah... for
the animals that are, found that are ah ... mutilated so bad, and some of the human
beings. Is that human? Are we doing it to our own people or are the E.T.'s doing it.
Janetis: Yes.
Bestali: You know it's not, E.T.'s aren't mutilating
anything.
Janetis: Yes. You look around you my dear. What are the
people doing to themselves?
Lori: Well that's true.
Janetis: What are they doing to each other? You know,
it's not aliens that do this.
Bestali: Oh yes, you people you mutilate each other.
There's no reason to think you wouldn't mutilate your animals also.
Lori: That's true. We're also doing it in a way that was
rather strange. Like they would say that they would find them and the blood had been
completely drained out and they didn't know why that ... it was not ah ... a style I guess
...
Bestali: Well, you see you find this too, if you watch
your news programs they say this about these, ah, people on your Earth, that call
themselves Satanists also. They do these things and drain blood out of animals and I don't
know what they do with it. A bunch of crazy stuff, but that's probably where that's coming
from. I would imagine that it is .. people on the planet who are choosing to have an
experience that is not necessarily, what we would consider to be an experience of light.
But there are no right or wrong experiences. You can still be a very loving entity of
light and choose to have a lifetime experience of very darkness. So even your people who
are experiencing lifetimes choosing to be Satanists, or something, are not necessarily not
light beings. They are choosing to experience something that helps them to increase their
light by seeing the difference. To experience a lifetime of such darkness like that when
you come back to Spirit, it allows you to have a different perspective of the light. It
allows you to feel the love even greater than you felt it before because you know what it
feels like in the darkness. There are others also who are choosing to have many, many
lifetimes of darkness and they are another story.
Roy: You mentioned something earlier about the
population explosion, where we were occupying more than one physical vehicle at the same
time. Could you expand on that a little bit?
Janetis: It is not you per se, but your Higher Self,
that which is your God self who chooses to have more than one, Seth calls them aspects.
Others call them other things. We call them Potentials. That is an individual Spirit's
prerogative. Bestali and I no longer share that. Tohakwa could have many Potentials. He
chooses not to. It's an individual Spirit's choice. For experience of course, for
experience
Bestali: In order to receive more experience faster you
might say in your earth time. If you have 5 people living on earth at once instead of one,
you have 5 times the experience, and sometimes that's helpful and sometimes it's not.
Because, there are times, ... if you only have one then, your very concentrated on that
one, and the experience, and getting what you want out of it. If you've got 5 here, you
may be spreading yourself a little to thin. Maybe they don't have as much energy as they
need, and maybe your going to end up in a worse position than when you started. But there
are many who are in a hurry you might say. They want to ascend, or they want to get it
over with, and so, they put out many Potentials thinking it's going to get them there
faster and maybe that's just their lesson.
Myrtle: Would you please speak about ascension.
Bestali: I think that sounds like a subject for you
Tohakwa, seeing as how that's what he's working towards very hard.
Tohakwa: At this time, as you are perhaps well aware,
there are many Brotherhoods, and I do not use that term relative to ... sex, male or
female but as a title. There are those of the Angelic Kingdom or Angelic Brotherhood,
there are those, as many are aware of the Melchizeldeks, the Order of Enoch, the Order of
Michael and countless others...the Great White Brotherhood, the White Brotherhood. There
are two paths that are there before you. For the Angelic Kingdom are those Spirits that
were born from the Source, so to speak, to come to earth to live...experience, lifetime
after lifetime to gain wisdom and insight. Who, at the time that they have learned what
they are here to learn, and they step off of the wheel of life, reincarnation as you call
it, they become part of the Angelic Hierarchy . The Archangels are an example of that.
They are the equivalency, so to speak, of the Ascended Masters but in the Angelic Kingdom.
Those who are of many of these other Hierarchies belong to that which we refer to as the
Ascended Masters Group. We are a temporary Hierarchy. For our job, so to speak, was to
create the planet and care for it until the Angels could care for it themselves, as they
begin to ascend and become archangels they form their own hierarchy and for a time the two
exist simultaneously, until there are enough Archangels for the Angelic Hierarchy to take
on full care of the planet. The time is close now and many are ascending. You all work
toward this ascension, as you call it, it is good, you will be successful.
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