Source & Back Part Four

Joan: Could we not forget mind and ego?

Bestali: Oh yes, that's in there huh?

Joan: Yes, I'd like to know a little more about that one.

Bestali: Well the mind and the ego.... well, they work together but they're two different things. Now your mind, of course, is your recorder, your computer and some of you have lots of bad programming in there. You need a new programmer. Then you have the ego, and the ego's job basically is to protect you. Your ego is your protector. What happens is sometimes the protector doesn't know that he's the protector and he thinks that he is all that is. So what his job is to do is, to protect the programming, for one thing. So when you're trying to release all the bad programming, the ego doesn't want you to do it. The ego wants to maintain status quo...wants things as is...doesn't want change. Gets caught up in the limitations. The mind's just running the programming. It's just the computer running the program, running the program, and it's the ego that's going to stop you. When we're talking about the devil and everything ... I like to call the ego the devil. That's your devil. Your devil within that keeps you from experiencing your unlimitedness. In all kinds of ways.

When people act out on their ego, which is probably apparent to the people in this room, you see that happening in the world a lot or recognize it a lot. They almost always create bad karma. Because they are acting out of a place of selfishness when they're acting out of their ego or they're acting out of a place of fear. If they're acting out of oh .... well, "I'm the only person on the planet that matters", then obviously you're not going to be creating any good karma like that. When you act out of fear, you create karma. So that's why it's very important to keep your ego in line and you've got to remind your ego that you're the soul. The soul is in charge, and the ego is only playing a role, and the mind is only playing a role, and the soul has a right to change anything it wants to change. Also in a rate of time it wants to change it. If you want to change it overnight you have the right to do that. But the ego and the mind they try to sabotage you over, and over, and over again, because they don't want to change.

Lori: What's the best way to work with the ego then so that it doesn't think it's boss?

Bestali: Well, basically, one of the things when you got somebody figured out, not too long ago is what you call self talk. That's the talk that you've got going on in your head when your head's babbling all the time. What happens is that your ego talks in your head all the time to strengthen the programming of your mind. So if it feels that you're starting to make some progress changing the program, then it will continue to say the negative things over and over in your mind to strengthen the program again, so the program won't change. Which is one of the reasons why a lot of the great teachers in the world have been trying to teach you to meditate and totally quiet your mind. Because when you spend time on a regular basis with your mind totally quiet, then you've created a period of stopping the programming, allowing yourself to be clear and new programming to begin. So you can also work with that, instead of having the totally quiet, which sometimes takes years to accomplish, you can accomplish that, by controlling your self talk. Everything you think of ... be aware of what you're thinking of and every time you think of something negative stop yourself. Quickly. You know, if you're looking in the mirror and you're thinking "oh boy, I'm fat", you've got to correct yourself right away and say " oh no I'm not, I'm beautiful". I'm beautiful, and keep saying that. Give yourself the positives, the positives, the positives!!

Sandra: If you meditate and you calm your mind then that's a good space would you say, to start reprogramming the positives?

Bestali: Well, you're working on that all the time because just as fast as you get new programs in there, you're reestablishing the old ones. Or you're learning something new, something more unlimited because you go in steps. So any time you learn more unlimited stuff, you want to get rid of the old limitations. Always go for the unlimited thought. You got that figured out now Joan?

Joan: It's starting to integrate.

Bestali: All right. Let's see, we talked about being guides ... oh, walk-ins. That's the other thing on here. A lot of walk-ins happening around the planet right now. Basically, there's a lot of hoopla about that. People are thinking that it's a big deal. Basically, you've got to be at a certain level in your spirituality to know that you can walk in, first of all. Second of all ... normally it's just a prearranged situation where two souls get together and they say "well, you know, the karma that I have doesn't really lend me to needing to experience that childhood, but I do have some things to work out with those people". Maybe that person was already planning a life and planning on coming back to spirit as a teenager or young adult, so they make a deal together that instead of that person dying, that person is going to leave and they're going to exchange places. The other person will continue to do the things they need to do. That's all there is to walk-ins.

Joan: How about this part about having to either integrate or deal with the karma and the programming of the entity that's gone in there before? How does that affect the person that's walking in?

Bestali: Well, that's always there just like with all the other programming. Any time that you ... you know, you don't want to make deals to walk in with souls you don't know very well. Because you are going to have to deal with whatever programming that they've created in their life. Sometimes when you're in spirit you think "oh well, that's not that bad, I can overcome that really easy", until you get in the body. Then you realize that the person has been wallowing in self pity for a few years or something. That's not easy programming to get rid of. So it comes a lot easier when you come to the awareness that you are a walk-in, which usually happens. That allows you to let go of some of the things, like the childhood conflicts or the conflicts within the family because you say "oh well, that wasn't even me, so I can let that go now", but you still have to work on the reprogramming. Everybody has to do that.

Joan: What's the difference between an opportunist and a walk-in?

Bestali: Well, an opportunist is more likely to happen ... well there's two situations. One is if somebody.... one of the reasons why people are dying in violent ways right now is because some of the people who are just leaving their bodies, sometimes there are entities who would jump into them very quickly before they die and take over them. There isn't really anything that the soul that has left can do about that. So that most people are planning to leave in ways that are ... you know, you get in a plane crash where there's no body to take over. They're dying in those ways because there's a lot of opportunists trying to get those opportunities right now. The other way that there is what we also term an opportunist in normal times is when conception takes place, but there was nobody planning to be born. A lot of times a soul who was not planned by the parents to be a child, will take hold of that and grow the fetus or whatever, grow the eggs into a baby. But you see, you don't know that that's happening unless you're aware of your Higher Self, they can say "well, we've made contracts before you were born with three different children and one was planning to be born in 1996 and one in 1998 and things like this". Well, if you get pregnant before that and your Higher Self says "oh no, well this isn't the soul that we planned to ... it's not the one creating the baby", then you have the right to say "oh no, you take off and you let go of that because I didn't plan to have you and I'm not going to accept you into my life".

Lori: Does that deal then with abortions?

Bestali: Oh yes.

Lori: So that is not killing the soul, if you choose to have an abortion?

Bestali: Oh you always have free choices. Even if you have a contract to have a child you have the right... you have free will when you get here, which means that you have the right to break off the contracts.

Lori: Is there karma from that?

Bestali: Sometimes, depends on how important it was for the person to be born. You know if you were planning on giving birth to a child who's life path was to become the President of the country and you decide to break the contract then you've affected a whole lot of lives. Maybe the child that you had a contract with was just going to have an ordinary life and was only going to affect a hundred lives and not millions. So it all depends on the individual situation.

Lori: Sounds like there's karma from it?

Bestali: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Some souls, you know, if you decide you're going to break the contract, the soul just says "oh well, I'll have to find some other parents somewhere else". Depends on the level of the soul who's planning to be born. Some souls will say "I had this all planned, now what's going to happen? I was supposed to meet my Eternal Love Tie and I'm going to be behind schedule". (laughter)

Sandra: How do you know how significant that soul is?

Bestali: Well, the only way to know is to get in contact with the soul. Once again, everything comes down to being in contact with spirit.

Sandra: If you've planned to have a child, then chances are that it comes from the plan that you had made before you came into physical form, correct?

Bestali: Yes.

Sandra: If you accidentally get pregnant what could that mean?

Bestali: A lot of times that's planned also. Now you see if you're planning to have a child and you don't have any contracts, then you're going to have fertility problems probably. You're not going to be able to get pregnant. Maybe that's going to be part of the lessons you chose to learn, because you knew that you were going to want to have children and that you weren't going to allow yourself that. You were going to learn through that. It gets all very complicated the things that you plan, and how many people you plan it with. (laughter)

Rolland: The walk-ins, are they from the same Higher Self as potentials?

Bestali: No. There wouldn't really be any point to doing that for the same Higher Self to create one potential to walk-in on another. Because if they wanted to have that experience then they could just keep the original one there.

Sandra: Then this is something definitely worked out between the Higher Selves?

Bestali: Yes. Oh yes, very worked out. Because one of the things, you know, they have to choose .... you know, a lot of people don't believe in astrology, but, there are aspects of it that do affect your lives. When you're born it does affect some things for you. So the two souls have to choose that together. They have to choose the moment of birth, when they want that body to be born because that particular aspect is going to affect them both... Or the name.

Roy: A lot of the walk-ins appear to be from another solar source!

Bestali: Many times, yes. They're often the ones that don't want to experience childhood on this planet because this planet has kind of been going haywire for awhile. So, they agree to help, but they don't want to spend a whole lifetime here.

Roy: So they just choose a walk-in instead?

Bestali: Yes, so they find somebody that's willing to go through the childhood and then they come in to do their stuff.

Ida: Is it possible like some of these Iraqi soldiers, for instance, or whatever, that got killed .... is it possible that a more enlightened walk-in might take over a body ... if they didn't actually get killed. In other words, it doesn't really depend anything on the level of the body they're coming into?

Bestali: It's almost always a further advanced soul who walks in. Not always. Sometimes the two souls are equal. But, it's usually one who is more advanced that walks in that has other work to do.

Ida: So a family receiving back somebody that's had that experience would find them totally different?

Bestali: Well, you see, they usually choose really interesting ways in which to walk in. You know they choose ways to walk in .... a lot of times they have a car accident or something, or they have a near death experience, things like this. So that when they come out of it, you know, well, of course, they're different. Their family says look at what they've been through ... they almost died. That would change anybody.

Ida: You said Diane was a walk-in?

Bestali: Yes, and Randy also.

Ida: Right. Okay, So where did Diane come from?

Bestali: Oh, she's from this planet. She's been working in the superuniverse for quite some time. She's not connected to this planet which we'll get into a little bit later with the different orders and the Angelic Kingdom and things. She's not connected to the planet in that way. But this is the planet that she chose to experience her density in. So she's been here for quite awhile.

Lois: So where did the original Diane go?

Bestali: Well, actually, she went back to her Higher Self and they integrated and her Higher Self has since created another potential that has walked into another body that had a different mission to accomplish.

Lois: It's real complicated

Ruth: On this planet or another planet?

Bestali: This planet.

Sandra: And what experience was created, when the change was made?

Bestali: Well, in Diane's case they went through a grieving process. Diane gave birth to a baby who was stillborn. That's when the change took place. During that birth process. So naturally, after she went through the grieving process everybody thought, well, that's going to change anybody to lose a baby ... change anybody. Randy chose to do it in a more simple way. It was more difficult for him in the integration to do it in the way he chose to do it. I don't think he's going to do it that way again.

Randy: I don't plan on doing it ever again anyway so...

Bestali: Best laid plans... you've said that many times to me before, different lifetimes.

Bill: This walk-in business looks like it might foul up social security numbers pretty well. (Laughter)

Bestali: Yes, a good thing the government doesn't believe in it now. Because if they had proof of walk-ins, you'd probably have to have special I.D. and a new social security number...change your name or something. Some of them do change their names. Sometimes the two souls don't agree on a name that they both want to keep and when the walk-in comes in they'll change their name.

Lori: What happens to the relationship say between Diane and Beverlee, the mother. And also the new one that's in with Diane?

Bestali: Well, that's interesting. In most walk-in cases, the walk-ins usually separate from the family and go about their business. In this particular case, the first Diane had separated from the family before the walk-in, and it was the experience of losing the baby that brought the family back together, because the new Diane had work to do with the family. So she had to bring the family back together to do the work.

Beverlee: And yes, it was very traumatic when I found out. I was very upset ... not just one, but both. Two children and I didn't know either one of them ... who are you? I had those kinds of feelings.

Bestali: She questioned me a lot. I said well, just because they weren't born into the body doesn't mean that you don't know them. You've known them forever.

Beverlee: It took a long time ... well I don't know, I guess it was a long time. It took a long time for me to really integrate that whole thing and to come to terms with that. That the souls that I had given birth to were not the souls that were currently in the body. But I finally ... I've done that.

Randy: Sometimes, it took a little perspective. I've been in this body for about ten years and she really didn't know any difference because I didn't make a lot of changes in how I came across until the last year and a half or so. So I still had the same attitude that the previous soul had. A lot of anger and frustration and all those issues. So there was really no change, And that's one of the things we talked about. Yes, I'm a different soul, but you didn't even know. So what's the big deal?

Beverlee: Well, I was into ... well, what did you do with my child?

Bestali: That's what we had to tell her ... well, you knew about the plan before they were born. You knew that you were going to have four kids instead of two.

Beverlee: It's the kind of a thing that ... well, don't confuse me with the facts, I don't want to know about it.

Sandra: How did you walk in Randy?

Randy: I had sunstroke. Yeah ... that was fun, but if I had to do it over again I would have changed it somewhat.

Sandra: I was wondering ... I had noticed when I first met you that you were more like friends ... the feeling I got was more like you were friends with Diane and Randy than ... I see more friendship than nurturing ... I think that's what I feel.

Beverlee: Yeah ... I think that's probably the case.

Bestali: It was a long process.

Beverlee: It did not happen over night. It was a long, very difficult process between us to get to this point.

Sandra: At the same time you were very protected by all this higher knowledge ... only because we're so dense.

Beverlee: Well, there are days where we're very dense.

Bestali: Well there's times during the process too, you know, that I would come and I would try to help Beverlee through what she was going through for example. Oh, she'd just get mad and curse at me and tell me to go away. She didn't want to hear it.

Beverlee: Yeah ... I did a lot of yelling. It was pretty ordinary I guess.

Bestali: Then she really got frustrated because I didn't react. You know ... on this plane you're so used to ... you do actions to get reactions and that's the best way to neutralize when you've got bad karma with somebody. Is they're acting to try to get you to react. If you stop reacting then there's no point in doing the action. Because they're only looking for the reaction. So she'd get all upset and I wouldn't react which would frustrate her more, but in the end result she'd finally calm down and say "well, this is not coming out the way that we do it on this plane, so there's no point in acting the way I'm acting because I'm feeling kind of silly."

Beverlee: I was feeling really sorry for myself. I was really into self pity initially, because I found out about both of them at the same time. It was after other people had known that I found out, so I really felt betrayed. So I was dealing with that whole issue of... oh, I feel so sorry for myself. So, you know, Bestali's issue for feeling sorry for yourself is ... oh gosh too bad. You don't get a lot of sympathy. (Laughter)

Bestali: If I had given you sympathy, you'd keep feeling sorry for yourself for another twenty years. (Laughter)

Beverlee: Sentelitti says ... wah, wah, wah, you know. So after you hear that, you just, kind a ... you have to do something with that. You can't continue feeling sorry for yourself. You know that you have to do something with that energy. To change it. It was a growing process for me.

Lori: I can imagine ... and the grief that you have from your children that you thought had ...

Beverlee: Yes, it was a grieving process initially.

Bestali: Well, you see now what's happening, when you asked about the old Diane, and I said that her Higher Self created another potential that walked in.... they've met her.

Beverlee: She hasn't changed. (laughter)

Myrtle: Does she look similar physically or is she quite different?

Rolland: Was it to be another female then?

Randy: A lot of the attitudes and things were very similar.

Rolland: Back here in this area?

Sandra: You've met her? (uh huh)

Rolland: Now, is there a reason for her to be back in this area instead of going up to England or somewhere?

Beverlee: I think probably it was her ... it was by design or something that we determined that we would do both of our experiences, or all of our experiences really. It's just a real interesting kind of thing. To think that whole experience was a walk-in experience and the way I was feeling ... on step farther, brings it full circle. The person who it is now, the same spirit as the original Diane. We've know for quite awhile. She knew before the walk-in. She knew that this soul would be walking in. So it's been kind of something that we've all been able to share together.

Bestali: So were on about number 5. Well number 5... what this section is about is some of the major lessons that you come here to learn again and again and again and again. And this group back here is starting to have remembrances of how many times they've come back to learn again and again and again and again, that's why they're giggling. So they do it from past life regression.

Joan: At least we're starting to learn that we've got these lessons to learn .... I figure that's a major step.

Bestali: Now one of the biggest lessons is the lesson of expectation. Now you come here to the planet and you're all Gods and you all have the right to create and you created this society where you've got nothing but expectations. The society expects things of you and you expect things of each other and you expect things of yourself and of your children and you expect things of everybody ... well, if you're a creating God and you're trying to live up to everybody else's expectations, you're not going to be creating too much because you're going to be too busy living everybody else's expectations of who you should be.

Now the difficult part about the lesson of expectation is that no other person on the planet has any right to expect anything of you. They have no right to expect you to fulfill contracts and you know that you've created a society where this is what we want, you know, if you have a job, you show up for work. You created that as a group consciousness that that's what you want to do, and that's acceptable. Where you get into problems of expectation is in your personal relationships. You know, you make a lot of assumptions when you get involved in these personal relationships and then once you've made your assumptions, you place expectations upon your assumptions and then the other person is supposed to read your mind and live up to all your expectations of how you want a relationship to be. Then you wonder why it doesn't work and you get all mad at the person because they haven't lived up to the expectations or they've asserted their right to do what they want to do. The hardest part about this is that ... well, let's see ... a good example is let's say an alcoholic. They've come in to have that experience of learning about alcohol and learning about themselves through that experience and you have people who get involved with alcoholics because they've kind of got a personality of being a savior, type of thing. Then they get involved in these relationships where they expect the alcoholic to stop drinking or they expect them to behave in a certain way .... well, that's not within their rights. The alcoholic chose to come and have that experience and it's not your right to tell them to stop or to start or to anything. So this lesson is a very, very hard lesson to learn. I'm sure that Diane, Beverlee or Randy would be happy to tell you about some of the experiences that they had.

Shortly after we had started the channeling when we were in spirit at night, they said "Bestali, we want to learn this lesson, and we want to get it over with. We want to learn it quickly and we want you to help us". They asked me to set them up. (Laughter) Needless to say, I'm pretty good at that. I set them up with all kinds of expectations. I started channeling and immediately said this is going to happen and that's going to happen and that's going to change. Of course, for no reason other than I said that, they believed it. We taught a lot of lessons in expectation in that way. Then they would get mad and they'd say "you said it

was going to happen and it didn't happen" and I'd say "well who are you to expect my predictions to come true. You have never even really asked me who I am. You know that I'm Diane's guide, but you don't know anything else about me". I told them that I was an Ascended Master, but they didn't even necessarily check in on that. So they learned a lot of lessons in a very short time. They learned that they needed to question. They learned not to just accept on blind faith, they needed to take things inside and integrate. To check them out and see if they feel all right with that and if they don't, to get rid of it.

They learned a lot of things about expectations very quickly, but not without some profanities. (Laughter) That's when we started to say, oh, too bad. That brought on some more profanities. So that's a very difficult lesson. Oh, it depends on the day ... some days you did good, other days you were mad all day. Well, you see what happened is... the expectation part of that was not even mostly what I said was going to happen, but when I said it was going to happen on that particular issue. Because now, as they're finding out, some of the things that I told them about during that time period are starting to come true a couple years later. All I did was give them the wrong time period for the issue of expectation because they were ... oh a good word would be ... they were very cocky. They wanted everything and they wanted it all right now and they wanted to get rid of their programming just like that and have their whole life changed just immediately. So, we kind of worked with that and set up lots of lessons around that. So you know, we have very short term deadlines. Well, this is going to happen in two weeks and that's going to happen in three, and that's going to happen within a month, and within three months this is going to happen, and within a year you won't recognize your life.

Beverlee: That part was true. (laughter)

Bestali: Because you learned a lot of the lessons the hard way.

Ida: I hope Bestali isn't teaching us the same lessons with all it's problems.

Bestali: Well, if there's one thing that they've learned, the predictions come true. It's only the timing that's sometimes been off. So, if you're prepared for something to happen it doesn't happen for awhile longer than it's supposed to, well then it just gives you more time to prepare.

Beverlee: If it's sooner, then it's, oh gosh, too bad, eh?

Bestali: Oh, I wouldn't do that to you.

Beverlee: Okay. You heard it here. (Laughter)

Bestali: If it's sooner than you were ready then that would be oh gosh, too bad. If I told you it was going to happen in September and you weren't ready by September, well ... you'd get ready real quick. So that's one of the hardest lessons because that's how you're all relating to each other all the time ... expectation. Especially within your male/female relationships you have everybody ... you know ... you get into the relationship and you've never discussed things and then you just have the expectations without even talking about them. "Well, where were you? You didn't come home until one o'clock in the morning ". Well, before you got into the relationship nobody said anything about not being able to stay out until one o'clock in the morning ... they just assumed, yes? So this is going on all over the place.

You need to redefine your relationships in that way... in allowing people to... you know, if there is something that is a need to you, instead of making the assumption and having the expectation then you need to talk to that person and say ... "It's really going to bother me if you're out till one o'clock in the morning. Is it okay with you if you don't do that? Are you willing to do that for me?" You make these choices together. Because then once the person has agreed to it then maybe, you got a right to have a little bit of expectation. Because then you can at least say "well, you agreed to it". They still have the right to say "well, too bad". But at least you have a tiny bit of justification for being a little bit mad. Because you've established on this planet a pattern of ... oh what's the right word, how to say it ...well, you've decided kind of as your group consciousness that if somebody says that they're going to do something, they should follow through with that. Everybody's decided that that's acceptable on this planet, that you want that to happen, that that's within the realm of respect. That they say they're going to do something, that they should do it. So that issue ... and it becomes a real fine line of what's respect, what's within respect and what turns into expectation, because you can expect respect and it's not your right to just expect respect even though you should give respect. You don't have the right to just expect it.

So it gets very confusing and that's where you get all these lessons and people getting mad about little teeny things, that really don't mean much. Some people get divorced over nothing. You see that all the time these days. Big divorces, people who are very much in love and they're getting divorced over who didn't feed the dog, who didn't pick up the kid from child care one day, they forgot. They each were expecting the other one was going to do it. That's a hard one. That's one that I can tell you it exists, but when it comes time to learning it, you can only learn it through your experiences in doing. It's an ongoing lesson, it keeps cropping up. Beverlee finds that.

Now that other one that really goes a lot with expectation is perception. You know that everybody has a different perception of what happens and you definitely find that when you're grown up and you sit down and you talk to your parents and you say let's talk about this event that happened when I was ten ... or let's say if it was something that was when Diane was five and Randy was ten and their sister was twelve. Beverlee's perception of what happened and the three kids' perceptions of what happened are all going to be like four different stories. Like somebody living four different lifetimes or something, all looking at the same event. So you know, that perception clouds how you deal with life because you perceive thing in your own personal way. You can't just assume that everyone else is perceiving it in the same way. You also are perceiving it through your own veil of your past experiences in other lifetimes. So let's take the example of ... let's say two people met Randy and one said "oh, I really like Randy, I think he's a nice guy", and the other one says " Oh no, he's a jerk". But he acted the same to both of them. Well, it's because one of them has the perception of having good past life experiences with Randy and obviously the other didn't have very good experiences with him at all, but he didn't treat either one of them any differently.

This definitely ... you get into all kinds of little skirmishes in your day to day life .. you go to the mall and maybe you order a cookie or something from the cookie place and you can have the same employee and the same employee is basically treating everybody the same way and one person is thinking "oh, that's a really nice employee" and the other person is thinking "well, I was treated so rudely". But they were treated the same by the same employee who was kind of working on automatic pilot, which most employees are these days. So that's where perception comes into play. Because you mix it in with your expectations and that's why they're together there on the paper. Your expectation you based on your perception, so what one person expects in a relationship and another person, sometimes even if you discuss it, depends on your perception. So that's a tough lesson and you've been working thousands and thousands of years to work that one out.

Myrtle: Bestali, it seems to me that when we get someone to agree to do something, it's like a contract in a sense, and I do think that's the root of a lot of our trouble. I think we really enslave one another that way and control one another that way. So really if we could drop all that and just ..

Bestali: Oh yes, If people were doing things because they were willing to instead of having to be talked into doing them, and not wanting to do them, and then not doing them, after they agreed to do them, just because they were talked into it ... things like this. Very much so. You know, but, you've come to a point too, where everybody's so centered on getting themselves where they want to be, that they're not putting themselves out to be for other people. They're not making the offers and things the way that they used to once on this planet. You know it used to be that people were always willing to help one another and they would do anything and nobody had to ask nobody had to have expectations because that's just the way people were. If a neighbor needed help, all the other neighbors chipped in to help. You know, if something bad happened, like say one of the neighbors, their house burned down ... well all the neighbors would come together and build a new house. Now where are you going to see that now, these days. You're not going to see that anywhere. All the neighbors are just going to gossip about the house that burned down and the people who lived there are going to be trying to find another house and all new belongings. Just hoping that somebody will help them out a little bit along the way.

So really, it comes down to the way everybody is relating to each other now and that's the part that needs to change. That's why you call certain things that you live in, you call them communities and they're not communities at all, because communities are people working together, and the people aren't doing that, not even within the families. Now you've got a really nice family, I like them. There's not a lot of kids these days that can count on their parents or parents that can count on their kids. So don't ever take that for granted. Because your kids know that you're there and that's pretty special.

Myrtle: But it seems to be a very fine line right there, that we mustn't take one another for granted either.

Bestali: Yes. It is a fine line and that's a problem. There's lot's of fine lines on this planet. Especially in this time period that you live in, there's lot's of fine lines on this planet, even more than normal.

Myrtle: This again brings us to this next meeting on community very much, but we'll get into the fine lines there I guess?

Bestali: Oh yes, We're going to talk about a lot of fine lines about community. I told Diane a few of the things that I want to talk about and Serenticidi is going to talk. I know that some of you have met Tohakwa that channels through Randy, but Serentecidi is another one that comes through him that has lots of good experience at how to make a good community.

Okay, what do we got here now ... oh judgement... oh yes. You all know about that one right? Looks like it. We've got everybody judging everybody and all the churches teaching you that you're going to meet the judgement day ... and that Higher Self is going to judge you and God's going to judge you and people on the planet are judging you ... it's kind of amazing that you get anywhere if you're being judged by all those people. All with their own perception of course. Of what's right or wrong and that definitely plays into perception of course. Because, if you take two people and they're going to judge you based on their own values, and their own beliefs, the judgements are going to be totally different. That's why you shouldn't make any judgement at all. It's not your place to make judgement. You know, if you don't like the way that somebody is living their life... back off. You don't have to have anybody in your life you know, even if it's a family member or a close friend, there's nothing requiring you to have that person in your life. You can choose to be around people that are living a compatible life-style. So if you don't like the life-style, well, then you tell them they can live the life-style they want to and they can live it away from you. Or, you can tolerate the way they're living their life-style and just not let it affect you either. But you don't have the right to place judgement or expect them to change.

Which there's a lot of that going around, expecting people to change. Of course, change based on your perceptions of what you think they should be. Anyway, those three kind of go all together eh? All mixed in there together. You know, even when you return to spirit, your Higher Self is not going to judge you. They're not going to sit there with a gavel at a desk and say well, you did wrong, or you did right or wrong or good or bad". They're simply going to discuss with you "well, how could we have done that differently? ... what are the consequences of what we have done? ... do we feel that there's people that we want make things up to? .... and how shall we go about that? It's just a process of discussing what happens and then integration. There's not any judgement and there's no devil or God that's going to send you one place or another. The only judgements that ever really happen are the ones that you place upon yourself. So if other people are judging you, you tell them "oh gosh, too bad".

Now this is a tricky part. This whole section is kind of a tricky section eh? Living as an embodied spirit ... and the trick to that is opening yourself up to your guides and Higher Self fully. It depends on you know, there's the different gifts. There's a gift of simply knowing, which a lot of you have and you take for granted and there's the gift of the clairaudience which is the hearing and the clairvoyance which is seeing the pictures and then there's the feeling when you do everything by how you feel. Everybody has all of those, but they have them in different orders. You're always strongest in one and you have the ability to develop all four. So you experience this a lot when you have ... let's say you're doing a past life regression and/or a meditation, for that matter ... a guided meditation. They're telling you ... well, you see a pretty stream and this is happening and that's happening ... well, if your main gift is not the clairvoyance, maybe you can't see nothing. So what do you do? You get frustrated with yourself. "Well, I'm not doing it right or I don't know what I'm doing cause I can't see any stream and I'm never going to get this meditation stuff right". You start all your negative programming. You start putting yourself down instead of accepting the fact that, well, maybe I'm a feeler and so instead of seeing the dream .. or seeing the stream, I'm going to feel what it's like to be near the stream. Or maybe you're going to hear the sound of the stream or maybe you're going to imagine that you're putting your feet in the water and feeling the way the water would rush over your feet or sensing it in a different way.

A lot of times, especially, it's hard for the people who have knowing with their regressions and things because the information just comes. Well, I was this person and it was this year and it was this... and they think that they're making it all up. Because they just know it, but they don't trust the knowing. So it's important to know about the gift orders and realize that there's nothing wrong with you if you're stronger in one and not in the other. You can work on the ones you're not strong in. So that's part of the process of getting in touch with spirit. Living as an embodied spirit is accepting that you are spirit. That your spirit is embodied and what happens is the more closer that you get to that and you realize that you're spirit embodied ... when you get yourself into a negative experience ... oh let's say there's people getting in a big argument. You can come to a place where you can say "well I'm an embodied spirit and basically this is just an illusion and this is just a play".... and you can detach yourself from the emotion and instead of breaking in and saying "oh, you've got to stop fighting, you've got to do this" .... and getting yourself involved as a third party, you can sit back and be detached and say "oh, well, this is an interesting play, I wonder why they're choosing to play those parts?" We call this controlled folly. You can detach and just watch what's going on, watch the play. You don't have to get involved in it or at any point in time you can choose to get involved in it. You can say "oh well, this part's past and I didn't want to be involved in that part, but this is looking kind of interesting, I think I'll jump in". That's what living as an embodied spirit is all about. Knowing that it's all a play and choosing when and where and how you want to be involved. Detaching from all the stuff that people want to put upon you when you don't want to get involved. It can be kind of fun when you get good at it. It can be very fun. We've been showing them some little examples of that eh? Lately we've been doing some little examples of that and they thought it was pretty fun.

One really good example is we have a lady in Bellingham who ... let's say ... what's the way to say it ... well she doesn't like me very much. She saw me once, many, many months ago and decided that she didn't like me, for whatever reason and proceeded to tell everybody she knew in Bellingham that she thought we must be faking or something. Well, time went by and almost everybody she knew were people that they met and became friends with. So everybody she knew she kept hearing about well ... Bestali and Company this and Bestali and Company that and she got real frustrated with it. She wanted to become an Ordained Minister for many years and all the other places that she went to, to work on this issue, they wanted lots of money for lots of classes, or they wanted her to commit for a certain amount of years for all these different things. She didn't have the money and she really didn't have the time to commit, so she just kind of let it go. Well, one of the things that she found out from all her friends was Bestali and Company became Ordained Ministers in S.H.E.S. and they could ordain other ministers. Well, certainly she was in a position, when the people she didn't like the most, were the people who had the thing she wanted the most. What was she going to do about this? So she decided through another friend that she was going to get in contact with them and get ordained. Well, the controlled folly was that they could have chosen to just be angry and say "oh no, she said awful things about us and blah blah blah and why should we do anything for her?" But they thought "well, we could be in controlled folly, and it would be kind of interesting to go up there, and ordain her and just detach emotionally and see what happens". So that's what they chose to do. They went to Bellingham and they did a very nice ordination ceremony and they thought it was kind of fun and they were very nice and very pleasant.

Well, not very long after that they got a call from her because everybody she'd been talking to was hearing about the drumming. So all of a sudden they were presented with another opportunity for controlled folly. She wanted them to come up to her house and bring the drum because all of the people in her class wanted to do some drumming. So they went up there with the drum and they knew that she didn't want them to channel ... through another person, she didn't tell them herself... and they said "no problem" and they just went up there and they did drumming and they connected with other people and they had a good time and they just totally detached from the situation that they knew she had created and still to this day she has no idea that they know that she was telling everybody that they were fakes. (laughter) They found the whole thing very interesting. They just let go of the emotion because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if she thinks that we're fakes or thinks that we're not fakes. So it's just choosing how you want to react or not react. You could do away with lot's of your problems in your life if you just chose not to react, not to take things personally. To know that it's just a play.

Oh, basically, I think that we've kind of covered the fact that the earth is just a classroom huh? Everybody knows about that. That's basically all we've been talking about all this stuff. You've come here just to learn and to experience.

Oh, unconditional love. This is kind of everybody's goal eh? Everybody's looking for unconditional love? Where do you think everybody's going to find it? Anybody know?

Group Response: Your Higher Self!!!!

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