Source & Back Part One

(Note: Bestali will often talk about Diane, his channel, (Since this channeling Diane has changed her name to Tatiacha. When Bestali mentions Tatiacha in the channeling he is speaking of Diane’s Higher Self) also in the discussion and making comments are Diane's brother Randy and her mother Beverlee.)

Bestali: Well, I know that they really want me to try and work with the outline, so we'll keep it here so it won't get lost. I think that what we're going to try to do, oh let's see... well I think it will be easiest for people if we take questions after each letter and not numbers because some of the numbers have lots of letters. We'll see how it goes.

So, you want to start at the beginning and of course the beginning, is creation, but when creation takes place, depends on who you are or what planet you're on, because creation is a continuous process, it's always going on. Right now there's new planets being created out there of course, and new souls being born and old souls going back to the Source. It's always a continuous circle going on. So, at the beginning when you're first created from the Source, the Source creates sparks that come out and they come into spirits. What happens is, it creates these sparks in groups, and the groups each have a purpose. Now it depends, you know, what is needed in the Universe and the Super Universe, what the purpose is going to be. Maybe it's going to create a group with the purpose of being teachers or something of this nature, or create a group that specifically is going to be planet builders and that's what there dharma is going to be. Now when the sparks come out, all the sparks in this group are soul mates. That's why everybody gets so confused about soul mates, because you don't have one - you have many, many soul mates, depending upon your group. Some groups are bigger or smaller, and these sparks split into two different polarities and these are what we call the Eternal Love Ties. This is what everybody seems to think the soul mates are...is the Eternal Love Ties. Or, sometimes, people have called them Twin Flames, or sometimes they're called Soul Twins, depends on who you're talking to. Everybody's got different names and it's all very confusing, that's why I made up a new one. Eternal Love Ties ... I like that one.

So, these two Eternal Love Ties are each individual spirits and they go about their own business, but they are always connected, they're always part of each other. Usually they choose to ... like let's say that if you're going to choose to incarnate on a planet, you're probably not going to choose to incarnate on two different planets because that would be difficult. You know that when you're going through the cycle of reincarnation you obviously want to have somebody that you're very close to here to help you through that. There's nobody that you're closer to than that. Now, the group of soul mates, they may choose to form smaller groups and incarnate on all different types of planets depending on what their dharma is. If they want to be teachers then they're probably going to be incarnating all over the place in the Super Universe and getting done with their physical experience so that they can come back together and be a more rounded group. This way they have more experiences to share together by doing that. Now, with me for example, Randy, Beverlee, Diane and a few other people we've met, are all part of the same group of soul mates that I'm from. We've known each other from the minute that we were created, so that's a pretty long time. Which is definitely ... what's the word I'm looking for... oh, an advantage, that's the word, when it comes to this channeling because Diane has complete trust in me because we've always known each other. That makes sense... yes? Also, Tohakwa who channels through Randy is part of our group. Some of us have finished the physical experience that we were going to finish and we've come back to spirit as Ascended Masters. Some are still working. Those of us who are in spirit as Ascended Masters are helping the ones who are still working so that we can get on to doing other work. Part of the work of our group is building planets, so that's part of what we do. We are one of the groups that helped build this planet, so you might say we have a vested interest in what's going on. We don't want to see it blown up, we spent a lot of time helping getting it built. I think I'm getting off the outline here.

Beverlee: Does anybody have any questions about soul mates or Eternal Love Ties? Is that understandable?

Roy: Within the Soul mate groups when they formed the initial groups... they basically stay together. Then do you have to wait until that whole group has reached a certain level before they can pass on again?

Bestali: Oh no. You're always an individual spirit and as such you have your own rights. The particular group, say for example, that we're part of, were birthed from the Source to work on one of the Super Universes that hasn't been started yet. There are going to be a couple of Super Universes built before we get to that one so you see we have a commitment to be around for awhile for our original purpose, but we always have the right to go back to the Source any time we choose.

Roy: Do we go back individually or as a group?

Bestali: Individually. Yes, as we choose. Of course, some people you know they've got the stamina to stick it out and go for the purpose. Other people after they've done their physical things that they're going to do in the density, they get tired and they just don't want to do that any more. They want to connect back with the Source. That's always the right of every individual spirit. It's also the right within the Eternal Love Ties. It is very common for one Eternal Love Tie to go back to the Source before the other.

Ruth: Do we go back strictly by choice, or do you have to go through a certain number of lives to perfect yourself before you can go back?

Bestali: We'll, the only limitation as far as that goes is once you've chosen to experience the density and get into the wheel of reincarnation, that you have to finish your wheel. You have to go through whatever experiences and ascend before you can do that. You can't just say in the middle of that experience ... Well, I'm going to go back now, because you make that commitment there. That's probably the only limitation. When you've committed yourself to a density experience you have to finish it up.

Lois: Do you ever, once you've gone back to the Source, do you ever leave the Source again and go back out later?

Bestali: Not as the same spirit. Once you're back with the Source you become part of everything again and there is always new souls being born and maybe one teeny little particle of the one that made up you is going to be part of another soul, but never as the same spirit.

Ellen: How do you know if you meet someone who's your Twin Flame? Is there always a knowing or sometimes could you not know at all?

Bestali: It depends on what you plan for your life. If you plan to come together with that person then you're probably going to have a knowing. If you just happen to by chance run into him in an elevator you might know, you might not, it depends on whether you plan to be together in any particular lifetime. Well sometimes you have resistance. When you meet Eternal Love Ties the bond is very, very intense... very intense. So sometimes it is what you call love at first sight, or something like that or sometimes there is instant resistance because of fear that somebody is going to get closer to you than maybe you've ever let anybody get to you. Either reaction is very normal.

Sandra: If you're in physical form together do you meet each other in this lifetime?

Bestali: If you choose to. It depends on your life plan what you choose to do. Some of the confusion too is everybody's out there and they say, well I'm going to meet my soul mate and everything's going to be perfect, but as you know karma is karma. You can create karma with a soul mate or you can create karma with an Eternal Love Tie just like anybody else. The problem is also that with the intensity of feelings with the Eternal Love Tie, sometimes when you create karma with your Eternal Love Tie, it's harder to balance. It's because you come together and maybe only have a little bit and you're coming together to balance that and the feelings get so intense that you create more instead of balancing what you came to balance. Sometimes, you know, who might be your Eternal Love Tie in a given life might be your worst enemy ... the person that you hate the most on the earth. Maybe President Bush and Saddam Hussein. (Laughter) So has everybody made sense with that?

Sandra: So, the key is to learn to balance the karma instead of intensify it?

Bestali: When you're dealing with Eternal Love Ties .. yes. That's why a lot of times, right now, part of what's going on with the earth changes and things, many, many people are choosing to experience incarnations with their Eternal Love Ties because it's going to be a difficult transition. Having that strong bond is going to make it easier for people to get through the transition. That's why some people are getting their lessons so hard because they know where they plan to meet their Eternal Love Tie, maybe next year or something, and by the time they do that they want to make sure that they've learned all the lessons about expectation and about judgement and all these kind of things so that they don't screw things up. So, they're bringing all their lessons fast and furious.

Lori: When you come down into physical form can you be in more than one physical form at the same time?

Bestali: Oh absolutely. Yes. We're going to talk about that.

Lori: That's in some other section?

Bestali: That's in, oh no, that's in the third section. We've got one more section before we talk about that. Any other questions about the creation? All right. Well, okay, the next thing we're going on is about when you first decide you're going to experience density which is always a choice. You are always totally free to choose whatever planet you want to experience it on unless you're a planetary angel, but we'll get to that later. That's probably the only requirement that came into being from the hierarchy is that everybody is required to experience density at some point if they want to move into the hierarchy, now if you don't have any ambition to move into the hierarchy, then you can just never experience density. That's your right, but what happens is that the Source used to create souls for specific jobs. They came right from the Source and they were an overseer. There were many entities and there was Lucifer and there was Satan and they were two different entities. What happened with never having experienced the density, they were not able to empathize with what was going on, on the planet and they got a little bit corrupted. This planet was kind of an experiment and things happened related to that and that's what is still embedded within the soul memory of the people of this planet is the fear. They think that Lucifer or Satan or Devil or all these things, they've got all these fears and all they were was three entities who tried to play a little power trip basically. There's nothing to be afraid of because they went back to the Source. They're not even around any more, but still all the churches and everybody's still afraid of them, because you've got it in the soul memory.

So, that's kind of what happened with that and after that happened there was some talk that went on, and it came to the conclusion that anybody who was going to be in a position of overseer of a planet or of a galaxy or of a universe, needed to experience density, so that they knew what the people were going through and where they were coming from. Now anybody who wants to get involved in that system has got to experience density. Most souls, even if they don't choose, do that just for the experience of it. There are all kinds of things you get to do here you know. You get to eat, and you get to do all these things that you can't do in spirit, and you get to climb mountains and go swimming. All these things that you can't do in your spirit bodies. So, there are a lot of things that you want to experience. So, you choose to do that and you never have any intention for staying for fifty or sixty thousand years, but that's a lot of times what happens.

Myrtle: Is the experience of density what we call the fall of man?

Bestali: Yes and no. I find that is one of the issues of perspective. Whether or not you consider it a fall. Now see, sometimes when you haven't experienced it before and you choose to experience on a planet that's maybe not in such great shape or something you definitely would consider it a fall because it seems so much more negative than where you've been before. But you know, when once you've gone through the process and you have the chance to look back at it, you realize that there were a lot of fun things and lots of great things about being in density. That's what's great about channeling. Maybe after you guys all ascend maybe you're going to want to try channeling because I get to come and borrow the body and eat and do some fun things, but I don't have to go through the karma. (laughter) So, that's kind of fun, I like to do that.

Lois: Can you create karma for Diane?

Bestali: Oh no. I wouldn't do that.

Lois: I wouldn't think you would want to, but is it possible to do that?

Bestali: If I were to do something that would create karma while I was in body it would have to be balanced instantly with me. I would have to do something to balance that right away. This is also true, you know, when the Master Teachers come in and those little Master Incarnates that are born into body. You would find, like if you knew one from the time it was born, they will balance their karma right away. If they were mean to their brother or something, the next day maybe they're going to fall down and hurt their knee, Things like that. They keep themselves balanced all the way through. So Diane would never be responsible for what I do. Except for maybe in the eyes of your law or something if they didn't like what I was talking about, they'd come looking for Diane because they can't find me. (laughter)

Basically every planet has a right when you build a planet to make choices. There are planets out there that aren't as dense, that have lighter bodies. There are planets out there that have systems other than the karma system. They work on how they relate to each other in different ways. There's planets out there who are telepathic all the time and never lose their telepathy and so they keep the group consciousness. Which on this planet you know that happens with the animals. Like the cat consciousness - they're always in contact, but, the people have chosen to be separated. There are planets where the people who are there, in whatever form they are in, are still connected. So they don't have the karmic problems because everybody knows what everybody's up to. You can't be sneaky, but you make these choices. The souls that are born make the choices on the planet they are going to be on; whatever they want to have, how they want to work the time, what kind of illusion they want, whether they want to be separated or connected. All these choices are made before the experience begins. If they want the karma system .. which this planet chose to have the karma system obviously. At the beginning they chose to be not so disconnected as you are now. That kind of happened over time. So now you're trying to get back to the way it was .. being more connected.

The issue of time is always one that is very confusing and we don't talk a lot about it because I know there's a lot of other entities who have talked a lot about it, but I guess that's the way I kind of feel about the issue of time, is we could spend all day just trying to get everybody figured out about how time does work and the fact that there is no time in spirit. We could spend a lot of time on that and you could probably spend your whole life pondering how all that works instead of experiencing other things and then you're just going to get back to spirit and you already know how it works anyway. So, really all you need to know about time, is that you've chosen to have it. When you're here, you experience it and when your in spirit you don't. You know, anything that applies beyond that, like if you're a seer and you want to see into the future and things like this, well those are things that you're going to learn from your Higher Self. I'll tell you as much about that as you want to know. We could spend the whole day talking about time all be itself, and how things exist at the same time. It's very confusing to your minds, you know, because you've got your minds programmed to think that everything is like this ... everything goes in order. So, it is almost sometimes impossible for your minds to conceive the way it really works.

Ida: So when you make an appointment, Bestali, to speak here at one o'clock, do you have to come from somewhere in the universe to be present?

Bestali: Well, basically, I've got an advantage where that's concerned and it's that I'm Diane's personal guide. So, I'm almost always with her although she has another guide also, so sometimes I get a break. I take off for a little while. I have my reference of time on this particular issues because I know when Diane's leaving the house. Like if I'm off doing something, then her other guide Atara will say ... Well, Diane's leaving the house now so pretty soon she's going to be at Ida's.

Ida: Well, what about those of us who channel occasionally. Are those entities always available? The great fear is that you will come to open your mouth and they won't be there.

Bestali: Well, you know there's basically nothing that we do in spirit pretty much that can't wait. So, you know, if you're doing something and you're going to channel and you call to somebody and say I want to channel now, well there's nothing they can't put on hold because we don't have any time. Anyway, there's no deadlines.

Ida: I'm missing the point. So, it's always possible to .... is that what you're saying?

Bestali: Oh yes. Pretty much. Depending on, there may be a particular entity who will just say, "I'm not willing to". But it won't be because he doesn't have time to.

Ruth: What are the other things, if I may ask, that you do when you're not with Diane?

Bestali: Oh well, we've got all kinds of what we call spirit schools, and I know that all of you have experienced those. You have many dreams of being in school, and you know, we work with the spirit schools and I do some work on building some planets and you might say I'm kind of a consultant sometimes. I also have a teacher in spirit ... his name is Sentelitti and I'm his apprentice. So, we spend much time together, when I'm not with Diane, learning the things that he has to teach me cause he's very old.

Ruth: Is any rest necessary?

Bestali: Oh no. You don't need to rest. You can rest if you want to. If you want to choose to not do anything, just be still, you can do that also. There's places to go to do that. There's planets ... in this particular system you have here, Venus is one of those planets where people go just to be for awhile. Sometimes, you know, when you do that at night .... sometimes when you get your best night's sleep, and you wake up feeling refreshed, it's because you didn't do anything. You just went to Venus and you were just there.

Ruth: What about people who just pass over who have been real ill, maybe tired or whatever?

Bestali: Well, they always go through a process of evaluating their lifetime and that's a natural process. They work with um .... oh, depending on what they've done in their lifetime, sometimes it's just between them and their Higher Self. Sometimes they will come before what we call a Council of Thirteen, which is twelve volunteer souls from the White Brotherhood and one Ascended Master, and they will help to evaluate the life and especially many cases where, let's say, you have somebody down here on earth who had a life plan ... oh maybe they planned to be a doctor or something. Oh, they started medical school and they dropped out and maybe they ended up in jail, and all these other things happened, and they used all this free will instead of following their plan. Then that's definitely a case when they're going to sit with the Council of Thirteen, because the Higher Self is going to be kind of upset. The Higher Self was planning for the potential to come down here and balance out some karma and when they use free will they're sometimes just creating more instead. Of course, anything that you do down here, when you integrate with Higher Self, is all the karma of the Higher Self. So, you see, it's kind of like a negotiation board. It's where you work out the discussion between the two. Some Higher Selves you know, of course it depends on the development of the Higher Self also. Now, if the Higher Self is very developed, well, they're just going to take back the potential and say it's all right, no problem, you know, we've got time to spare, we'll be fine. Some of the Higher Selves especially those that are new to density can get upset, just like people on earth can get upset.

Bill: You were describing your activities for example with your teacher and what not, and it sounds like you're in a process of going from one thing to another...

Bestali: Always.

Bill: Much as we are in the process of going from one activity to another. I've listened to the discussion of no time for a long time ... long time? (laughter) And it sounds like you're saying that you have the same process, but it's without any element of timing.

Bestali: Absolutely. You know things are ... like if I think back on the things that I do in spirit, there is sequence in the fact that lets say I've had a few conversations ... I had one conversation before I had another conversation, but there's no time element on them. There wasn't a conversation two months before the other, just one came before the other. Maybe I talked to Sentelitti, and then I talked to Diane, and then I talked to Sentelitti again.

Lori: What's the difference between dharma and karma?

Bestali: Okay. Well, that's the next thing on the list... you led right into that eh? Basically, dharma is what you're here to do, what your path is. Your dharma is... oh, like for this particular group ... I have to say I don't think there's anybody in this room that their dharma in this life wasn't to teach ... to teach and to heal. It's what your ultimate goal is for the life. Obviously all of you had the goal of working out some karma and, you know, opening up more to God. But, this particular group has come to help others open up more to God. So that would be your dharma.

Now what karma is, is basically the easiest way to say it is cause and effect. That's the issue of, you know, if you treat somebody really badly then you're going to create an experience for yourself to know how they felt. That experience may be in another life, it may come directly from the same soul or you may create that experience in a different way. What it all comes down to with karma is forgiveness. Because you carry with you all this guilt for the things that you've done. You know when they say about the Law of Grace ... and the Law of Grace basically is: wisdom erases karma. Now, the only wisdom that really matters as far as that, is forgiveness. If you were able to, lets say, at the end of this life and you went back to spirit and you integrated with Higher Self and your Higher Self said "okay, I'm ready to forgive myself for everything I've ever done on this planet", you could ascend right there. You choose not to forgive yourself because you think "I can't forgive myself, I've done that awful thing, and that awful thing and I've got to pay for it". That's all self imposed. Nobody puts it on you. You choose it, and that's why some people ascend quicker than others. They decide well, to heck with this, I'm going to forgive myself, I've had enough. Sometimes they go to the other souls involved that they did things to and they say "well, it's going to be easier for me to forgive myself if you're willing to forgive me ... can you forgive me? Well, most souls are going to say of course I can forgive you. We were in density, we're stupid, that's why it's called density. (laughter)

Randy: Can you relate karma to the first life experience?

Source and Back Part Two