Source & Back Part Three

Randy: You also deal with the issue of religion in their statements like... heaven and hell... and if you feel guilty of doing things, you feel, "oh, I'm going to go to hell for this and that's not a wonderful place, therefore I fear death".

Bestali: You don't want to die until you've convinced yourself that you've made up for your wrongs, so you'll go to heaven.

Sandra: There's no such place is there... as hell?

Bestali: Only, if you create one, which you're capable of doing. If you firmly believe in heaven and hell and you firmly believe that you're an awful sinner then maybe after you die you're going to go to a hell for a little while that you've self created until you figure it out or until your Higher Self finally gets through to you ... saying you don't have to do this anymore... come home. Kind of like ... what's that funny movie ... they say ET phone home. (Laughter)

Lori: Has everybody here already decided how they're going to die?

Bestali: Oh yes.

Lori: We've already chosen how it's going to be?

Bestali: At this particular time you know some people... it used to be that people kind of said, well, you know I've got my path planned until I'm maybe 65 and then after that we're going to let what happens, happen. But at this particular time with the earth changes, it was very important for people to choose at what point they wanted to go and how they wanted to go because people were going to go in big groups. So there's a lot of planning involved in that you know. You've got lots of plane crashes where twenty people are dying all at once. Well, all those twenty people had to make that choice. Not to mention all the families of all those twenty people had to be involved in that choice and how that would fit into their life plans. So there's lot's of intense planning around this time when people are going back in such great numbers. So, you all know.

John: Well, then also with free will, at some point in life we may decide we want to do something different as far as that time suggestion for dying.

Bestali: Yes. You're going to have to get back to connecting your group consciousness before you make any huge decisions that affect your whole planet, but, you know, that's the advantage of the earth changes happening and everything. The planet's going to allow you the opportunity to do that, and then you can choose to change your system. Cause, it's about time. You were stuck in this for a long time.

Ida: Would you say it's a truism, that those who have reached a certain level of spiritual consciousness, don't seem to have difficult deaths?

Bestali: For the most part.

Ida: Yeah, seems to me.

Bestali: Unless they're choosing to leave a lesson for somebody behind. Which being the great teachers that you are you often like to do that. Sometimes the best teachers are the ones you don't know are teaching you, huh?

Sandra: If you die of a disease, let's say, does the disease get in your spirit, that when you leave the physical form you go somewhere to heal?

Bestali: Oh no. You create the disease. Your spirit creates it for your physical body and once your body's gone that's all there is. You have the memory of it, but that's all.

Sandra: Do you right away go, where you're supposed to go, to settle?

Bestali: Hopefully. You know, there are some who don't, that are confused when they die ... the wayward spirits. That's how they become wayward and sometimes it depends on what their belief system was, and so maybe they die and they don't know their dead, or they don't know where they're supposed to go, or how they're supposed to feel, or who they're supposed to connect with. A lot of times, you know they think, oh, well, there's somebody still on this plane that they feel that they haven't finished something with, and so, they stay and they try to get in touch with that person, and that person can't hear them, and they get frustrated. So, the start doing things in houses like, you know, they think well, maybe if I can get these keys on this table to disappear, maybe I'll get their attention. People you know, they get their attention if they know that something's going on in their house, but they never connect it to who it is or generations go by and people change and maybe the person that they were trying to get the attention of died a long time ago and knew where to go and then they're just lost here and they wander around and they don't know how to get in touch with people. You know, they're still trapped within the physical layer of density when they do that, so those of us in spirit can't do anything to help them. They can only be helped by people on earth. That's why it's very important, the people who work with the wayward souls, tell them where to go. Because if there was anything that we could do to help them, they wouldn't be there at all. We would have helped them a long time ago.

Sandra: You just tell them ... go to the light?

Bestali: Yes. That's why people are doing important work here helping the wayward souls go back.

Sandra: So the Higher Self cannot have any influence while they're in that particular stage there?

Bestali: The Higher Self can continue to try to get in contact, but they can't go after them. Now, one of the things you see, it's kind of been a lost art ... when all the people of the planet were part of tribes ... earlier on, there was always a shaman of some type or other, or a medicine man or witch doctor, or whatever you want to call it. That person was always trained to walk in the dream time... To leave their body, and if somebody had a difficult death, for some reason, and was confused, they would talk to them and then they'd tell them they need to go to the light, and when they had them convinced they'd take them by the hand and they can take them to the light. That's kind of a lost art now, because you know most of the tribes of the world have kind of lost their identity, and they're not teaching their apprentices, they're not having apprentices, and they're losing their shamanistic abilities. Most of the teachers that are coming back now, like the people in this room, have all been shaman before and so you need to tap into that knowledge and bring that forth now. That's why you have prophecies and things by the Hopis that talk about the rainbow people... that basically all the ancient Indians coming back in all different colors of people, and that time is now. All the other prophecies have come true. The only one that hasn't come about yet is the pale prophet and we'll talk about that later. there is a prophecy about the return of the pale prophet.

Ida: What about exorcism?

Bestali: Well, that's kind of interesting, because, Diane, and Randy watched that program last night ... did you watch that?

Lori: Yes, and the Catholic priests didn't even agree with each other in the later part of the program.

Bestali: It was kind of an interesting perspective. You know, that when it was first going to come on, I had a good laugh about the whole thing because Diane's first reaction is, "oh, they're going to do exorcism", and immediately she had a reaction of bringing forth a past life of having been an exorcist and having had bad experiences. She just kind of cringed and thought, "I don't want to watch this program". Then as the program went on and it started to show, she said "oh, well this person is just channeling wayward spirits who are confused ... big deal. They just needed to send them back to the light". So it was a lot of hoopla and everything over not much stuff.

Ida: What about people who hear voices that tell them to murder other people etc...

Bestali: Well, you see, wayward spirits, the ones who get trapped here often can be like that. A lot of times, you know, murderers and things like this are not exactly people who have a strong belief in God, because if they did, they wouldn't want to take somebody else's experience. So when they die themselves, they don't know where to go, they don't go to their Higher Self because they don't believe there is a God. So they wander around within the earth plane and everything, and of course they're still the same people they were. They're still murderers. So maybe there's somebody that they decide they don't like for some reason, maybe they're going to try to talk somebody into murdering that person because that's the way they know things to be. That's why it's important to get them back to the light. That's the thing that was not good about the exorcism. Because basically they managed to get the spirits to leave the girl alone, yes, but they didn't send the spirits back to the light, they only got them to leave the girl alone. So they're still wandering around and they told them not to bother anybody else, but you know, there are a lot of Higher Selves sitting up there that want their potentials back, because they can never ascend until they bring their totality of themselves back together. So they're kind of stuck up there, hoping that somebody is going to help their potential come back to them.

Sandra: So it is very important to send them back to the light?

Bestali: Oh yes.

Sandra: Do you know ... do they listen or do you just have to keep telling them till you convince them?

Bestali: Depends. Some souls are just confused, and if you tell them that they have guides and Higher Selves and loving people waiting for them they'll go. Because all they needed was somebody to tell them and they've been wanting to not be where they are. Others are bound and determined to stay here and you could argue with them for weeks.

Lori: So how did that girl that they showed last night ... how did she attract those?

Bestali: Well, some people are just very open and sometimes you choose to have that experience just for the experience of it. Or other people who get involved in spiritual pursuits and things, some people just open up very quickly and they don't know that they need to protect themselves. They don't know that they need to ... well, like you need to give your guide permission to protect you in that way. Because once you've opened up, you've opened up and it's not within the guide's right to say ... oh no, you can't bug her like that. You opened up, you've allowed it and you're a God and you have the right to create. So you have to give your guide permission. You have to say all right. You know Diane when she finally figured this out, she had a couple experiences where a couple of wayward souls talked to her when they were driving down the road and it really upset her. She said Bestali why is this going on. I said, well, I can't do anything about it unless you give me permission. So, she gave me permission immediately and she hasn't been bothered since. Because now I screen everything and nobody gets to her unless they go through me because she gave me permission to do that.

Lori: Oh, okay, So was that a case of possession that they showed last night, or what is it?

Bestali: Oh yes, there was entities there. Now I guess where the difference lies is ... we just say that they're just earth bound entities who are confused, maybe they didn't have pleasant lives and they're even more frustrated in the fact that they can't seem to connect with people now. They're in the same space. The difference being that the Catholic Church is seeing them as being workers of the devil. I thought it was kind of interesting that, as Diane was watching, one of the comments that the priest made is "you need to leave this girl or you're going to burn in hell". Well, if they're workers of the devil, aren't they already from hell? (laughter)

Ruth: Was Diane watching this as Diane and you beside her in spirit. Did you watch this also?

Bestali: I was with her yes. I thought it was really interesting so I wanted to see.

Ruth: You could see it in spirit?

Bestali: Oh yes. I see it in a different way. I can hear the voices and I see grid work. I don't see the way you see here because you see the complete illusion. I see the grid work that makes the illusion.

Sandra: Is that how you see us also? As grid work or do you see us?

Bestali: When I'm not in body ,yes. When I'm using Diane's body then I'm using her eyes and they're trained to see the illusion. So that's kind of fun about being in body too, because you see things differently. The nice thing is, that from the perspective of illusion, things are much more beautiful. Mountains are much more beautiful, the planet is much more beautiful than just looking at the grid work.

Lori: Where does Diane go when your using the body?

Bestali: Most of the time she goes off with her Higher Self and they go ... sometimes they go just to be together, other times they go to school. Every once in awhile she goes with my teacher Sentelitti who will take her someplace to teach her something. They always make good use of the time.

Joan: Bestali, recently we've talked some about the dark energy. Could you go back and from the Source and creation ... where does that fit in?

Bestali: It doesn't fit in with creation.

Joan: Does it just belong to this planet, or is it all over?

Bestali: Oh it isn't at every planet. It's part of when you get more and more dense you see. You're becoming ignorant and all that dark energy is, is ignorance of light. So the people who have forgotten everything, forgotten that there is a Source, forgotten that they've got a Higher Self all these things ... those are dark entities. They're just ignorant.

Joan: So they've just propagated that energy so that it affects more and more people, more and more entities here?

Bestali: Oh yes.

Lois: What happens when ... they said that she would levitate last night if they didn't tie her down, or has in the past ....

Bestali: Well, anybody can levitate, but you choose not to do so.

Lois: Oh, so these wayward souls basically were the ones who were propelling that?

Bestali: Oh yes, oh yes.

Lois: OK Bestali

Bestali: That's what they've learned ... they've come into contact .. What happens when they're lost and confused is that they come into contact with other lost souls who are in the same space, and some of them have been around for thousands of years lost. They've learned lots of things by watching people. They've learned how to manipulate some energies and things like this and so that's one of the things they've learned to do. They've learned all kinds of little tricks. Anybody can levitate if they wanted to and they decide to create that. You've got to get past the limitations in your mind, that's the hard part.

Lori: So if you ask your Higher Self or your Master Teacher to give permission to screen these beings who come in, because if you're channeling or doing something so that you're not bringing in the wayward souls?

Bestali: Absolutely. Very Important! You're probably going to know that they're not going to be very pleasant beings, even if you get one that's not what they thought of as demonic. Even if you get one that hasn't been lost for too long, they're probable going to be swearing left and right and things like that. They may be able to see into the future a little bit or something, but they're not going to be very pleasant to be around.

Lori: So you can handle that by just telling them to go to the light and they have guides?

Bestali: Hopefully, if they'll listen.

Lori: If they'll listen... well I worked with one last week and I'm wondering if I was successful with that? I'm not sure that it was a wayward spirit, but it was pretty angry. Called himself The Executioner.

Bestali: It's definitely a wayward spirit and he has not intention of going back to the light. Many people have tried to talk him into it.

Lori: So there's nothing else I can do about that?

Bestali: Just keep him out of your space.

Lori: OK.

Roy: Can you get multiple entities in one physical form then? Where you get these multiple personalities.

Bestali: Oh yes. A lot of people that are in hospitals with multiple personalities are channeling.

Sandra: What are good ways to protect yourself if you're into channeling, Other than to ask protection from your Higher Self or your guide?

Bestali: That's the best way. Because once you've given them permission, then we can screen anything.

Sandra: I've heard that God is not a person or a thing, that it's an energy which is goodness, order and discipline, is that correct?

Bestali: I don't think I'd place any words on it. You don't have any words in your language that could fit what it is. It just is.

Sandra: But, if you're in this physical form would that kind of ... if you're going to use a word would those help as guidelines?

Bestali: Goodness. I find it to be very goodness. I don't think I would say discipline. Discipline is choices that you make. It just is. As long as I've been studying I haven't found any way to describe what it is. It just is.

Ruth: What are your schools like? What type of things do you study? Is it like a subject as we know it?

Bestali: Sometimes. Sometimes, it's just a set of teachings from a particular entity, but there are what you would consider to be a class where a lot of entities will come to one place to hear another entity speak about a particular knowledge they have.

Lori: I have two questions. What about the people who don't believe in God ... when they cross over do they find out that there is a God? And my second question is ... I believe in the Father within, the God within. Is there also a God without? I mean, is there an entity that is God?

Bestali: Well, those are good questions. First of all with people who don't believe in God, of course they're going to find out eventually. Depends on what they believe, what they're going to create right after they die. One way or another eventually they're going to come into contact with their Higher Self and their Higher Self is going to explain everything and then they're going to integrate. The other question that you've got is ... everything. There is nothing that is not God. God is within you, God is your Higher Self, God is the Source, God is the trees and the planet and everything. It's all one.

Lori: Is there actually a creator, Source that began the whole thing?

Bestali: There is a Source energy, not an entity. But everything that has been created from it is part of it. So if one entity was taken away it would not be whole. It takes every single entity, every single plant and flower and tree and planet and stars and everything to make up it's totality.

Sandra: That's why it's so important to forgive, cause we're all one?

Bestali: Exactly. Even the dark energies and the hateful entities that are confused. They're part of God also.

Roy: Doesn't this then get back to the sort of duality... you are one with everything else therefore you are two. Making a duality.

Bestali: Yes, there is polarity in everything. We call it polarity.

Myrtle: When you refer to the grid you see looking at us on earth, does this grid consist of polarities? What is this grid that you see?

Bestali: It consists of all kinds of connections of energy. Taking the God energy and creating in all different patterns depending on what kind of connections that you're making. Now there are a lot more grids the more dense the area is ... the more grids there are. You know that's where ... like when you talk about psychic surgery for example ... everybody says that's impossible! How can somebody take and put their hand inside your body? You have to cut it open first. Well, all it is, is more grids that make up your body. They're just thicker grids that's all, and grids are grids. You can put your hand through any grids.

Myrtle: I don't know what the word grid really means?

Bestali: A network of light. Connections of light. Or like

Sandra: Like knitting ....

Bestali: Yes, like knitting or I was thinking like circuits in your T.V.'s or something. You have a lot of circuits that connect together... sort of like circuits.

Roy: You know this paper that has all the lines on little squares, that's basically a grid ... graph paper .... that's a definition of a grid.

Bestali: So once you come to the conclusion that there's a grid here in the air that's creating the atmosphere and there's a grid that can create the planet. Well, you can dig into the planet, why can't you dig into somebody's body? It's just a thicker grid.

Lori: What is the difference in planes where lost spirits would be and where your spirits are? Why can't you connect?

Bestali: Where the lost spirits are, is exactly where you are, right here. They would be in the same room with you. You see, now this gets all confusing too, when people talk about the planes and the dimensions and they use all these different words, and basically there's seven levels of existence. Whatever you want to call them. The seventh level are the people who are working with the planet that are ascended, no longer incarnating, within that seventh level. Now, the sixth level is where most of you are. You are very close to getting to the seventh level, but you're still working here on the planet. Now, you have enough knowledge to know that there is a seventh level. You come up to where the seventh level starts and I come down to where the sixth level ends and we chat. You see .... because you've got the knowledge to know that. So we can go in between those two levels and be together and spend time together, or any time that, for example, that I choose to be a guide, then I choose to come into this space because, that's where the body is. This doesn't give me the right to interfere with the wayward spirits. I could talk to them, but they're probably going to be angry at me. I'm the last person they want to see if they're darkness, because I spread a lot of light around, and their ignorant of the light so they're afraid of it. Just like people of the light are afraid of the darkness. The darkness is afraid of the light, because they don't know what it is. They've forgotten.

Lori: So when we sit here in a grid we have actually lifted our vibration to a certain level as we are here now and yours has come down to meet us, so we are actually in a slightly elevated state as we are now?

Bestali: Yes. That's why you know too that anytime an Ascended Master is going to channel they're always going to pick somebody who's at a sixth level of their spiritual growth because .... like for me to channel through Diane's body ... when I come into the body I have to lift the vibrational rate of her body up to the top of the sixth level. Now if she was on the forth level and I had to lift it all the way up to the top of the sixth level that would be very difficult on her body. I'd get done channeling, and she would be exhausted, and maybe feel sick and have a hard time, because she has to lift hers. I can only come down to there, she has to come up to meet me.

Roy: So we have come up to a certain extent too, if we want to communicate properly?

Bestali: You're very good at that.

Rolland: There are some channelers who say that they are channeling Source energy directly as opposed to an entity or a guide. From what you're saying today, I'm gathering that that's not possible, that they're mistaken.

Bestali: Well, it depends on the source of what. You see? Because a lot of different energies can say they're the source and there's all kinds of sources. There's a source of the planet ... the planet's consciousness. There's group consciousness of trees, you could tap into the source of trees. You could tap into the group consciousness, the source, of your galaxy, or your universe or of your Super Universe. So there's all kinds of different sources, and what many of the people, who I know well, have learned from me is to listen to what I am saying, and don't make any assumptions. Because I say what I mean, and if you attach an assumption to what I say, then maybe you're going to get the wrong idea of what I'm saying. So just because they're saying they're the source, you see, you make the assumption that that's the ultimate Source, and not another source. So if they say well, "I'm the source" then start to question them ... are you a group consciousness of this .... are you a source of the group consciousness of the Great White Brotherhood? There could be all kinds of different sources. You maybe could question them all day and never come up with the right source.

Rolland: Including the Higher Self source?

Bestali: Absolutely. That's what most of them are. Most of them that say they are channeling the Source... They're channeling the source of their spirit, their Higher Self.

Randy: Would you get into the relationship between the Higher Self and potential and what is a potential.

Bestali: All right. Let's see, where are we ... are we following the outline even a little bit? Oh we're doing pretty good.

Oh, we call that soul potential. Many of you have heard this explanation before, but it works very well. That explanation is well .... say that the Higher Self is a pitcher of water and when it creates a being to come and exist in the physical, it pours out a glass of water. That water becomes you know, like with Diane, her Higher Self calls herself Tatiacha. So Tatiacha is the pitcher of water and she pours out a glass, and that's Diane, and she created it with the elements that she wanted to be Diane. Then she created another entity and his name was Jason, and he was on the planet for awhile, and then they both were on the planet for awhile, and then she created a third entity, and here name is Patty and Patty is still on the planet. They all went down to experience in their own different lifetimes. Jason was ... oh what do you call that condition, oh I don't remember the name ... you know that TV show that everybody watches with ...

Randy: Down's Syndrome

Bestali: Yes, Down's Syndrome, that's it. Jason had Downs Syndrome so Tatiacha was learning some things through that. He had lots of different experiences and a year ago he came back to spirit. He came back to spirit and integrated with Tatiacha. Now when that happened Diane got a surge of energy because the energy that Tatiacha was expending by having him there when they came back and integrated, got split equally among all the other people she had on the planet or in other realities. There's other universes, you can be experiencing many things all at once. So Tatiacha is capable of doing all kinds of things and sometimes things that are beyond Diane's comprehension to understand.

When you meet your Higher Self they're going to give you this information a little bit at a time because, sometimes you're going to get overwhelmed. Sometimes, what happens is, that you take on the responsibility. You say ... oh ... we're doing that and we're doing that and we're doing that ... how am I ever going to cope. (Laughter) You take it all upon yourself, you think it's got to be your responsibility and your Higher Self says "Oh no, you don't have to worry about that. That's what I'm doing, and all you have to do is what you're doing". But a lot of people have trouble with that so sometimes Higher Selves don't tell people what they're up to. If they're like that. But what happens is that things happen on the planet to change the water, you know. Maybe some salt gets added to that glass or something else and when you come back to spirit and you pour that glass back into the pitcher, it changes the pitcher forever. The pitcher of water is never, ever the same. It's been changed by the experiences of that glass. But the pitcher is always an entity unto itself. It's a spirit. The glass is a spirit also (the soul). The pitcher takes a part of itself and creates a spirit. So you are an individual entity and your Higher Self is an individual entity and you can relate as such, even though you're always connected, and you're always one, and you will eventually integrate. A lot of people they think that their Higher Self is .... oh .... their superconscious mind, or all kinds of things like this. But it is actually an entity.

That's what can make it so wonderful to have that relationship. So it's your best friend. You're not going to find a better friend, because anything that you're going through in your life, is going to be easier when you develop what we call clairaudience which is where you can hear spirit in your head. That's always going to be a wonderful, wonderful thing, because when you're having a bad day and everything's going wrong and you just can't figure out what you're doing wrong or how come your feeling not so good and everything ... it's always going to be your Higher Self that you're going to feel the presence of and they're going to say ... everything's fine, everything's okay, we've been through worse things than this, this is nothing, this is only one day. We've lived so many days that we couldn't count them all. So they are very reassuring and nice to have around. That's why it's very important to have that contact because there are going to be crazy things going on in the world and you're definitely going to want to have that reassurance.

Lori: Does Diane have karma from what Jason's experience was or are we talking about karma being for the Higher Self?

Bestali: It always gets integrated into the whole.

Lori: Into the Higher Self?

Bestali: Yes. Diane's life was planned and executed, so to speak, before Jason came back. So what Jason experienced, if he created karma, wouldn't affect Diane, but it would if Tatiacha, tomorrow, decided to create another entity to be born in nine months from now, it would affect that entity. Because that wouldn't be very fair to, in the middle of your life, all of a sudden say well, guess what ... we're going to dump another ton of karma on you. (Laughter)

Bill: At the same time, if Jason created karma, Diane could, in this life, have an experience wherein she could nullify that?

Bestali: Absolutely. That's also the beauty of being in touch with the Higher Self you see. Because Diane had the unique opportunity of being told by her Higher Self that Jason had passed over into spirit and she had contact with him before he integrated with Higher Self and she asked him about his life and about his experience and had sort of an evening chat. They talked together. Then during the time that Jason was integrating with Tatiacha, it was a few days later, Tohakwa came and did some energy work on Diane to open her up to receive the extra energy that was coming. So it was a unique opportunity for her to see in action how it all works. Just a few months later Randy had an experience with one of his parallel selves coming back to spirit. This was a very interesting one for him, for the one which was coming back was a monk and had learned many, many things in the lifetime to help Randy in this one.

Well now, spirit guides. Now, the spirit guide relates to the Higher Self. It's just like it pours a glass of water to come down to earth. The Higher Self can pour a glass of water to act as a guide for somebody. That could be it's specific role. So, if your guide is telling you "well, I've never experienced density", well the Higher Self has all kinds of experiences in density, but technically that particular entity that's guiding you has never experienced it personally. So they're not lying, you see? That's why we say listen to what we say and don't make any assumptions. Because things are different in spirit. Now he wouldn't be lying by telling you he's never experienced density. But it's part of the Higher Self. Or, sometimes a Higher Self themselves can act as a guide, if they choose to do that for somebody.

Now, we've already talked about the seven levels. Everything basically works in sevens. You know there are other numbers that are important on your planet, for those of you who do numerology and everything. But as far as the spirit things that goes on, everything works in sevens. Cycles of sevens. Levels of sevens, in what you call the dimensions and things like this. So that's not really that important, but I thought I'd throw that in.

Source and Back Part Four