Source & Back Part Two

Bestali: Well, that's when you all get trapped of course. Because, you come into your first life and you're full of idealism, I guess. You say, well I don't have to get trapped into this karma thing. I can experience a life in density and just have a good time and I can swim and eat and do all the things I want to do and just do it all in one life and that's fine. Then when you get down here you realize that it's much tougher. Which is exactly the reason why people were required to experience the density. If you've never experienced it you have no idea of how difficult it can be. Of how disconnected and how alone you can feel in a planet filled with millions of people and you feel alone. That's kind of silly, huh? But that's the way it is and it's very difficult. That's where you get trapped in. Because, once you're down here and you feel separated and you feel alone then you act out of fear. When you act out of fear then you're going to create karma every time. Like clockwork. fear .. karma .. fear .. karma.

Sandra: Where does fear come from?

Bestali: Where does it come from? That's kind of an interesting way to phrase that question. It comes from a lot of times, initially in your first lives, it comes from the fact that you've never experienced something before so you don't know what to expect. In lifetimes later it comes from the fact that you have experienced that before and you do know what to expect. (laughter) Or you're afraid that it's going to happen the same way, even though it doesn't have to.

Roy: Isn't this where you need to get back to, to eliminate the fear, you need to get back to the first time you experienced that and look at that and then say, well fine that's the way it was then, I can now look at it totally from a new point of view and drop that one?

Bestali: Oh absolutely, and then laugh at it, at how silly you were.

Roy: Yes, that's the easiest way to get rid of it.

Bestali: Yes. You know the easiest way to look at it is to get in touch with Higher Self, because you know the Higher Self. As you're getting more and more advanced, and everybody in this room is quite advanced, you have more and more of that perspective. Because the Higher Self is always looking back at that. It's only, you know, when you come in and you've got a cellular memory and everything within your body that remembers things from past lives and so you get caught up in that also. So, when you create that connection with the Higher Self well then you can say, well what's this all about, please explain this to me, and of course they will explain it to you. Then they can help you to release it. That's why it's so important for everyone to get in touch with Higher Self, because they know what it's all about. They remember every lifetime, and some of you don't even remember when you were children. They remember when you were children. You can ask them what happened when you were one or two. They'll tell you.

Sandra: Is that why some people prefer to channel their Higher Self instead of a spirit guide?

Bestali: Oh yes. That's wonderful. Diane does that with her Higher Self and Randy and Beverlee also. Sometimes for each other or one of the things that their Higher Selves do the most, or Diane's anyway ... Randy's doesn't like to channel very much, he doesn't like the density. But, Diane's comes in and does energy work, healing work. Because she remembers sometimes ... now Diane is doing better on that aspect, but that's really a good example. Because at the beginning Diane never saw herself as a healer, and so, when she went to do healing work or energy work, she had all these blocks that didn't let her tap into the information. Now, when the Higher Self comes in, she remembers when she was a medicine man, and when she was a medicine woman and a shaman and a sorcerer and all these things and maybe she was a doctor and a nurse and she has all these memories, and she knows how to tap into all those lifetimes so she doesn't have the limitations. So, when she came in to do the energy work, it was no problem. Now over time, the more that she came in and did it, the less that Diane's mind blocked. Because the more that the mind begins to realize, oh, we know how to do this, we've done this many times. Okay, no problem, we can do that. So that's the advantage of channeling your Higher Self, is it helps you to get rid of some of your limitations.

Sandra: Your Higher Self can come in a voice like yourself right?

Bestali: Oh yes. They can choose to portray themselves in any lifetime that you ever lived. So, you could be a woman sitting there and your Higher Self could channel through you as a man or as a male presence, however you want to say that.

Lori: When you pay attention to your intuitive feelings .... your gut level feelings, are you in tune with your Higher Self?

Bestali: Absolutely. Your Higher Self and your guides both use that, that gut feeling. But the stronger it is the more likely that it's your Higher Self because they've got the ability to connect with you more than your guide does. Your guide has to exert more effort to get your attention than your Higher Self. Because you've got a grid work that connects you with your Higher Self all the time. Some people ignore it, and that's their choice. Then they get themselves into trouble experiences and then, oh, they complain. They get all upset because this happened or that happened. It's because they ignored their gut feeling. Their Higher Self told them don't go out, you're going to get stopped by the cop. But they went out anyway and they got stopped by the cop and then they're all mad.

Sandra: It must be comical to observe from up above, eh?

Bestali: Oh, we have a good time... yes. (laughter)

Beverlee: They roll on the floor and laugh at us .....

Bestali: But you know... it's a lot more fun... you know, when you've experienced it before. Some of the entities, like the Deva spirits and things that work with the Angelic Kingdom, that are here to work with the earth and the weather, and things like this. Well, they never laugh at you. They don't think it's funny. Sometimes they get upset at us because we laugh. But we say, well, we've been there, we know what they're doing, that's why it's funny. Because we did it too. So, if you're looking for some sympathy, find yourselves some Devas to talk to. (laughter)

Rolland: You mentioned the memory of fear at the cellular level ... can that be ... well I know that can be released to physical therapy, physical manipulation. Is there a way that it can be released other than that or does it have to be also through a physical, or only through a physical way?

Bestali: Well, basically, you simply have to make the choice. Sometimes when things are very stubborn and they don't want to leave, than maybe you need to find out what they are so that you can make the choice. Because, you know, they want to stay. They're there to teach you something, if they don't want to leave. So, you find out what they are, and when you find out what they are, then you know what they have to teach you, and then you can let them go. You know the choices were made between you and Higher Self of what parts of the energy, what parts of the consciousness you were going to come into with the particular lifetime. What was your focus for that lifetime and what past life memories were going to urge you on to following that path. So, everything that you bring with you has something to teach you. Something to tap into, and some of it is negative. You know a lot of times you have your spiritual lives, like right now you're living a very spiritual path and you've had other times when you've lived spiritual paths where many of you have been persecuted for it. You have other ones that were very peaceful lifetimes. Well, the peaceful lifetimes are easier to bury and it's the ones where you got persecuted that are the ones that come to the surface and create the fears. Because you say, "oh no, if I follow this path, they're going to kill me or they're going to do this .... they're going to get me again", and it gets intensified if you happen to come into contact with somebody who was the one who killed you. Which a lot of times you choose to do to bring it to the surface because you want to deal with the issue. You see a lot of that going on about this time because people want to learn these things very quickly right now, before the earth changes.

Roy: As we become more and more sensitive, when we meet someone, then, we will realize the connection we have with them... that this person either you killed or they killed you. You will recognize this and have to meet it and go through it?

Bestali: Well, you see, that's the good point about it... once you recognize it, when you get yourself to the point where you can meet somebody and say, all right, I chose to come into contact with that person because this and that happened, then you don't have to go through it, because you've chosen the wisdom.

Roy: Once you recognize it, then that's all you need to do?

Bestali: Absolutely! That's why wisdom erases karma. (Thank you)

Sandra: In the ... dimensional light bodies, if you put more light in your body and everything it also cleanses you as far as your karma right? and fears that are in yourself?

Bestali: It cleanses you as far as your fears. Now if you use that light to wake up your consciousness, then you're going to be helping your karma also. But the other thing that it can do is that it can leave you very ungrounded. So you need to, as you're adding light into your body, you need to add some light and the figure out how to ground yourself and then add some more light and figure out your grounding and go back and forth, otherwise you're going to be hanging out of your body up here and not be able to function in your normal activities...Say if you have a job or something like this. Most people don't want to hire people who are space cadets. (Laughter)

Myra: Is it possible for a time to happen in your physical life where you have finished your karma and you just hang around because you want to be here?

Bestali: Yes, that can happen. There are people who will choose to do that if they know they've only got a little bit left, and they're going to balance a little in that lifetime. They'll come in and they'll maybe need to balance, and they're going to balance it through one relationship and basically, when they got done with the relationship, they're balanced. They may choose to stay around for awhile. But the ones who do are usually ones who have it planned out very carefully...because once they've gotten to that point, then, they want to make sure that they've created their programming in such a way that they do like the Master Incarnates do. Where if they do anything, it's going to be instantly balanced. Otherwise they're going to be stuck again. Because there have been many people who have come and at one point in their life they've gotten to a point of balance, but then they've created more. Then they're real upset when the come back to spirit after that life is over. They say why didn't I just go back to spirit when I was thirty-seven, or however old they were when they got it balanced.

Myrtle: Please speak a little more about balancing. You mentioned that earlier, when you said the young master, a child for example, who would hurt his brother or sister would balance that karma by bumping himself?

Bestali: Yes, usually you know... if we're talking about a Master Incarnate ... they've already learned the lessons of density. So they're not likely to balance things by the other person. Where normally most of you, like say... lets say, if I killed Randy .... most likely we'd come back in another lifetime and we'd have some real awful relationship to balance that out and maybe he might even kill me, if he loses control. You never plan to kill somebody. But if he loses control maybe he's going to kill me. Now with the Master Incarnates, they've already learned those lessons so they balance their karma in ways other than directly with the person. They never balance it directly. Like, if I was a Master Incarnate and I did something mean to Randy, we wouldn't balance it by Randy doing something back to me, because he's not going to want to be in a position of gaining karma by hurting the Master Incarnate. Because obviously if the Master Incarnate is here, they're here to do a path, and if he goes too far and kills the Master Incarnate, then well, he's really up the creek. So, usually they would choose, he would just say well, you know, you've got to balance it on yourself. That's kind of an unspoken law almost. If I did something to him, and I was a Master Incarnate, then I would create a situation for me to balance that without having to deal with him. They usually do it with physical things because most of the things, especially uh... most of the Master Incarnates that come in, they come into spiritual families who know the teachings and things like this, so they're brought up in that way. So, most of the karma they do create is real minor. So you know maybe they just got mad and kicked their brother in the leg or something and then they skin their knee. Little things.

Roy: Are these the accidents that happen to people and this is a balance that they have brought about to themselves to ease something else? If someone breaks an arm or has a car accident and is hospitalized for a long time ...

Bestali: Sometimes, it's a balance and other times people choose to have those experiences on purpose, let's say, to strengthen their character. Like lets say if you know that sometime late in your life you're planning on going through something that's going to be very difficult. Maybe you think, well, if I'm going to go through that difficulty I need to be very strong, I need to be mature, I need to be responsible. In order to ensure that I'm going to be all those things that I need to be, when I'm twenty I'm going to get in an accident and get paralyzed and I'm going to have to work my way back to being able to walk again and it's going to take me four or five years. That's going to make me very, very strong or break me. That way, you know, if you can get through that, then later on in life when you've got the difficult situation, it's not going to seem so difficult. You're going to have the strength to go through it.

Roy: So, it's actually a strengthening process then?

Bestali: Yes. You know a lot of times, especially you know later in life, like let's say you're going to choose to have an experience where you're spouse wants to die of a long, lingering disease or something like this. Then maybe that's really an experience where you want to strengthen your character before that. Because that's going to be very difficult for you to go through that with your spouse having that experience. You're going to have to have a lot of strength for that. Things like that.

John: To go back to what you were saying earlier ... regardless of the act that you perform, isn't it possible if you are aware, say as we are in this moment, that we can at that time choose grace through a realization of our action and realizing that this is something that you really didn't want to partake in, but you did and so therefore, you forgive yourself and through that process ......

Bestali: Exactly.

John cont.... you're done with it, therefore eliminating any future karma?

Bestali: Absolutely. That's why I call it wisdom erases karma. Just for that.

Rolland: Mafu, has said that karma is a no thing. What do you suppose he means by that?

Bestali: Well, basically it is a no-thing. Because it's not a thing that exists, if you didn't create it for yourself. You choose it.

Rolland: Through guilt?

Bestali: Yes. If you chose to never have any guilt then you would have no such thing for you as karma.

Lori: There's quite a few convicts though that they seem to have no guilt about anything. Don't they have some karma to deal with?

Bestali: Well, you see, they maybe don't have guilt as a potential, but that doesn't mean the Higher Self is not going to. Oh ... OK.

Ida: There was a young lady who called ... This kind of fits in ... her daughter had an accident and has been in a coma for seven years. A long time, and it seems that the mother is very caught up in this and I was wondering whose karma is which?

Bestali: The mother's. It's the mother's karma because her daughter is not even in her body anymore. She's still got a lifeline to it that keeps it alive, but she's wandering around in spirit. So it's the mother's lesson, the family's lesson.

Ida: So, could you tell a mother, in that case, that she could walk away from that?

Bestali: Oh absolutely. If she wants to make that choice. It's whether or not she can live with that choice.

Ida: Yes, I think she feels that the child wouldn't be properly cared for where she is if she didn't check her regularly every day.

Bestali: But what are they caring for? They're caring for basically an empty shell. Because once the mother gets the lesson, well then, the body's going to die. Because the daughter won't have any reason to keep it alive. It's just for the lesson of the family.

Ida: Well, what is the lesson?

Bestali: Well, basically it seems to be that she feels from a past life .... the daughter ... feels that the mother deserted her. So, basically that's now what she's doing to her, she's deserted her.

Sandra: Isn't that creating karma? The daughter creating karma?

Bestali: No. Because it was prearranged. Before she was born they talked about how they wanted to balance that, and they decided that would be an acceptable way and they planned it all out.

Rolland: You started to talk about balancing karma, and there's an area on this handout called the wheel of reincarnation .... would you explain what this is? The wheel of reincarnation and the cycle of 84.

Bestali: Well the cycle of 84 is basically a term that some entities chose to put on it, but all it is, is just the cycle of balancing or the cycle of forgiveness, of starting to erase your karma. You can tap into that on your own because that has something to do with the Ra, what you call that, the Ra energies that we talked about before. It has significance to them. Kind of funny actually.

Sandra: So, if you humble yourself to the point to where you can forgive, because you can understand that each one of us is not intentionally wanting to hurt one another, but we're just going through our own karma, then we can really get rid of a lot of our own karma by doing that, right?

Bestali: That as well, yes, and you help them too, because if people do something that affects you at the time, the quicker that you can forgive that and let that go, the easier it's going to be for them to let that go and then you're both better off.

Lets see, what we didn't cover on here. Death, and Free will. Well, free will... basically what happens is you've chosen for your planet, you wanted to have free will. Which means that once the Higher Self creates a being to come down here and experience in a body, it wanted that being to be able to be free to create for itself. So, in spirit before that body is born, you choose a path, you choose who you want to come in contact with, maybe who your mate's going to be. It depends on who you are how much you plan. Some people plan in exacting detail every moment of their whole life. Which is kind of dull, huh? Leaves no time to be spontaneous. Other people just kind of do a general outline and just kind of go for it. Well, what happens is that once you get here you've got free will to do anything you want. You don't have to follow that path at all. You can walk a totally and completely different path do anything that you want to do. Now the problem, the negative side of free will, is that normally if you're not walking your path you're getting in more trouble. It's most common. The positive aspect of that is that you can surpass what your path was going to be. You can go far beyond your path to greater heights. You could take a life where you were just planning on maybe balancing ... maybe, let's say, just for example say that you have that much karma, maybe you were planning on balancing that much, you could surpass your path, balance it all and ascend in that lifetime. It gives you the ability to do that. You don't have to stick on the path. But most people .... the more ... it worked very well at the beginning before you started getting so dense and so dense. Then as you got caught up in the density and you forgot about spirit and you got caught up in all your religions and all your limitations and stuff then most of the time when you used free will it was used in a negative way. So you've got to get back to using it in a positive way, which is kind of difficult in the current state of your world.

About the only thing there is to say about death is that it's just a transformation. You know everybody gets all worried about death or preserving a particular life body or they get upset when we talk about earth changes sometimes. Well, all these people are going to die, they say, well, that's terrible, all these people are going to die. They're all caught up in what the body is all about, but it really doesn't matter because it's only a transformation, it's only one body. You've had lots and lots of bodies and you're going back to your normal place. You're normally in spirit. That's where you live and that's your normal state of being. This is just an experience. So you lose one body .... who cares!

Sandra: Religion seems to be restrictive in one way... who and why created religion .... took their free will and created religion for us?

Bestali: Well, basically, groups... it was not ever really one person. Because most of your religions were founded upon the teachings of Master Incarnates that came to teach. They taught and they taught great truths, and then somebody along the way would decide ... well, those truths were self empowering. They empowered people, and if people are self empowered then the one person who wanted to be a leader couldn't control the people, and so they had to change things in order to make it a situation where they could be in power. So, that kind of gradually happened over time. So all your great religions, and you have many are all founded on a core of truth. It's just finding the truth within it that's sometimes difficult. There are people who are devout in their religions who have found that core of truth, and they just simply, I guess, choose to put up with the bureaucracy involved because they're comfortable with the truth they've found.

Roy: Where did the fear of death come from, because initially we were aware that it was just a transition. So, somewhere along the line would we move from knowing to unknowing?

Bestali: Well, there's the knowing to unknowing and there's also the issue of, as you got a little further into the unknowing, you started doing more awful things to each other and so you started to have unpleasant deaths. So you start to, you know... nobody wants to be murdered, nobody wants to... You know it used to be, that when you came to the experience, at the beginning, you had your experience and when you decided well, I'm done now, you went to sleep and you just left your body and that was all there was to it. You died peacefully of old age or you died of natural causes. Then you decided well, that there was a lot of drama to be played out in the way you chose to die and you started to have death experiences that weren't pleasant...Well, it's never pleasant to be drowning and gasping for air. That's not a pleasant experience. You start to develop this fear and the fear is not actually of what happens after you die, the fear is how you're going to die. But you place it together.

Roy: So, it's basically self imposed then?

Bestali: Absolutely.

Source and Back Part Three